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Awesome! Glad to hear it! If you have a chance we'd love a review over on Magholder.com on the product page! | |||
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No problem at all! We'll get it shipped out asap as soon as the order comes in! | |||
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Cool product. Think I'll get one....as soon as I can figure out which version of the Glock 43X holder would work for me. Never having carried horizontally before, I just don't know which side/orientation I should get. Hmmmmmm. Any thoughts, suggestions, recommendations? ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Sure thing, are your right or left handed? Typically a shooter pulls the spare magazine with their weak hand to reload. Our Magholder is designed to be pulled to the rear to allow for a faster reload. That being said its all how you personally prefer and how you train! Does that all make sense? | |||
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Ricky, Is there a big difference between the G43X and the S15? I'm assuming since they're different drop down options I cannot use them with both style mags? NRA Life Member Steak: Rare. Coffee: Black. Bourbon: Neat. | |||
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I'm right handed, so the the holder would be worn on the left side. Just don't know whether the spare mag facing forward or backward would work better. As to training, all my mag carriers are worn on the left with all mags carried vertically, so I'm not sure how that translates to these horizontal mag carriers. Any additional thoughts? ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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When carried in a horizontal magazine carrier, the top of the mag should face one’s centerline and with the bullets pointing up (or out away from the body if applicable).* For the right-handed shooter, that will orient the magazine in the most natural position for inserting into the magazine well after the mag is withdrawn to the left from the carrier. (In my opinion, of course.)  The carrier could be placed in a crossdraw position on one’s right side, and then the bottom of the mag would be closest to the shooter’s centerline. That would allow more room to rotate one’s arm when pulling the mag out, but I don’t like having to reach across my belly to grab the mag. * Added: To clarify, bullets up applies if the carrier is positioned at 9 o’clock or closer to one’s front centerline. If positioned farther back as ensigmatic discusses below, then it would make sense to position the magazine with the bullets pointed down. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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The horizontal mag carrier I had made for my Walther PPS M2 was made to be positioned at or around 8 o'clock, top of the mag pointing toward the small of the back, but with the bullets facing down. I determined that was the best orientation for me by grasping a mag as it would be oriented in a mag well, then naturally moving it to where the mag carrier would be. sigfreund, were I holding the mag as in the photo you posted, and I to moved my hand to the left side of my back, I'd find either the back of my hand or the web between my thumb and forefinger facing my back and the bullets pointing down--unless I simultaneously rotated my entire arm 180°. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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I agree that at 8 o’clock bullets pointed down would be best to end up with the magazine in one’s hand as pictured. I could also see how that would be a better position for concealment and ease of draw. I have a 3x horizontal mag pouch on a duty belt and prefer it that way, but the pouch is positioned out front near my belt buckle which wouldn’t be desirable for concealed carry. I’ve been thinking of a horizontal pouch for concealed carry, but wasn’t too happy with the idea; your positioning suggestion might convince me. Thanks for that. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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That is correct unfortunately, the two mags require a different variation of the Magholder. There are slight differences that don't allow them to work in the same Magholder. | |||
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There have been some great comments by sigfreund and ensigmatic. The Magholder was originally designed to be pulled to the rear on the weak side. The majority of the Magholders that are ordered are in that same orientation. To be pulled to the rear. But it is 100% preference. I personally carry on my left hand side and to the rear since I am also right handed. This same orientation allows me to switch that Magholder over to my right side just in front of my pistol holster in the crossdraw orientation while I am driving since that is an easier orientation to grab in the event that I need it. Let me know if that makes sense or not. | |||
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FWIW magazine orientation and positioning is something that interests me because although it may seem like a trivial matter, it makes a significant difference for fast, fumble-free reloading. When teaching new hires for my agency it’s often something I must address with them because they evidently don’t get any instruction about it in the academy. It’s painful to watch them trying to rotate the magazine around in their hand or to twist their hand/arm into an unnatural position to seat the magazine. Positioning it correctly in the mag pouch makes all the difference. What really gets me is seeing someone, usually at a public shoot, with a dual mag pouch, and one magazine with the bullets pointed one way and the other pointed the opposite direction. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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Yep, that makes sense. One final question. If I order a magholder to ride on my left side with the mag oriented to pull from the rear, does that place the bullets facing upward? Sigfreund's pic is the way I try to handle my mags when reloading. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Yes, if you had the Magholder on your left side and pulled it out with your left hand your fingers and hand would be setup exactly like the picture! | |||
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I can only imagine how frustrating that is! Can I ask what agency you train at? | |||
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Depends upon where on your left side. If closer to 7-8 o'clock, which is more where you'd want it for concealed carry, I believe you'd want the rounds pointing down when they're in the mag carrier. Allow me to demonstrate: Mag positioned for insertion:  Simply moving my hand to where a horizontal mag carrier would be if I had it a 7-8 o'clock:  I just tried the same thing as if the mag carrier was literally on my left side, say 9 o'clock or forward of that, with the mag carrier opening to the rear, and found, again, round orientation pointing down was more natural. Same if I took that same mag carrier, moved it to my strong side, forward of a holster, so now opening to the front, and fetching the mag with my weak-side hand, cross-draw style: Rounds pointing down in the mag carrier. Maybe I'm missing or misunderstanding something fundamental, but I fail to see a scenario in which the rounds pointing upward while in a horizontal mag carrier, manipulated with the weak-side hand, makes sense? "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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You are correct. And maybe I wasn't clear in my response. But yes, bullets would be facing down, not upward. You could however always place the Magholder upside down on your belt if you wanted them to face upward. However you would need to the opposite hand orientation to pull to the rear, with bullets facing upward. All in all, with the Magholder there are so many different ways our customers use it! | |||
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So, to get the orientation I'd want, I'd want to specify "Right Side to the Rear - Left Side to the Front?" Then, placed on the left side, placing on the belt from the top, the opening of the mag holder would face to the left front, with the rounds pointing down, yes? I don't see an option for my 9mm Springfield 1911 EMP3. There are Springfield offerings, but not for that. And I assume the 1911 offerings are designed for retention of .45 ACP and 10mm mags? My favorite Kydex guy makes horizontal mag carriers. I have one for my Walther PPS M2. But it slides around. Handy for easy re-positioning when you want to. Not so handy when you're trying to remove or insert a mag. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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I believe you are correct, are you pulling to the front than on your left side? We need to adjust the website to show the 9mm 1911. Please put that in the notes and we will make sure it supports your pistol. | |||
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Yes. As shown in the second of my two earlier photos.
Noted. Perhaps I'll give y'all a try. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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