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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by HK Ag:
After the Florida thing I am all for making the voting age 21.

I have lost patience with all the emotionalism. These kids are ready to throw away their liberty for security now, foolish.

HK Ag

And how to do tell some 20 year old Infantry grunt who's been breaking his hump for his country and wants to vote for HIS choice of President, that he now can't? Hmm? How does that work?

Actually, I'd be in favor of an exemption for any active duty or reserve military to buy alcohol, pistols and rifles, as well as be able to vote at age 18. I'd even throw in rental cars

CCW is 21 in a lot of states, with some offering provisional CCW at 18.

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Originally posted by Sigfan Roy:

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by HK Ag:
After the Florida thing I am all for making the voting age 21.

I have lost patience with all the emotionalism. These kids are ready to throw away their liberty for security now, foolish.

HK Ag

And how to do tell some 20 year old Infantry grunt who's been breaking his hump for his country and wants to vote for HIS choice of President, that he now can't? Hmm? How does that work?

Actually, I'd be in favor of an exemption for any active duty or reserve military to buy alcohol, pistols and rifles, as well as be able to vote at age 18. I'd even throw in rental cars

^^^ This Sounds Reasonable! Membership has it's privileges....

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by HK Ag:
After the Florida thing I am all for making the voting age 21.

I have lost patience with all the emotionalism. These kids are ready to throw away their liberty for security now, foolish.

HK Ag

And how to do tell some 20 year old Infantry grunt who's been breaking his hump for his country and wants to vote for HIS choice of President, that he now can't? Hmm? How does that work?

Oh, that's easy. Just have full citizen rights conferred immediately to anyone in the military ala "Starship Troopers."

The pajama boys on their mommies health insurance can wait until they are 21.

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Originally posted by PASig:

And how to do tell some 20 year old Infantry grunt who's been breaking his hump for his country and wants to vote for HIS choice of President, that he now can't? Hmm? How does that work?

The same way it worked up until we changed the damned voting age, that's how.

I actually asked this question of my college room mate, now a retired Brigadier General, some years back. He said,

"You give them a damned order and expect them to obey!"

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Originally posted by TMats:

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Originally posted by HK Ag:
After the Florida thing I am all for making the voting age 21.

I have lost patience with all the emotionalism. These kids are ready to throw away their liberty for a false sense of security now, foolish.

HK Ag

Perhaps adjust the voting age to match the age at which you can purchase a firearm. Wait.....maybe not. The DEMS would lower the age to purchase a firearm to 12.

IIRC, I am 60+ now so this may not be correct!

at 16 I could quit school and get a job, get married without parental consent. if my girlfriend was under 16, I could drive to SC where the age of consent was 15.

at 18 I could by beer, vote and serve the military without parental consent. I could not by hard liquor.

I was over 21 when they changed the drinking laws to 21, it didn't affect me, so I really didn't care. My sister in law was caught in the change, she could by beer one year and had to wait a year before she could legally buy a drink.

My dad "retired" at 55 with full benefits, insurance and salary from a large corporation.

I once I looked forward to retiring at 62, now I have to wait another 5 years to collect what is left of my SS, and Medicare or Medicaid. any retirement fund is only what I have been able to save from my payroll.


not sure what my kids will have when they get there, much less what the current "children" will have available in the future either.

ymmv
john

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Originally posted by Sigfan Roy:

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by HK Ag:
After the Florida thing I am all for making the voting age 21.

I have lost patience with all the emotionalism. These kids are ready to throw away their liberty for security now, foolish.

HK Ag

And how to do tell some 20 year old Infantry grunt who's been breaking his hump for his country and wants to vote for HIS choice of President, that he now can't? Hmm? How does that work?

Actually, I'd be in favor of an exemption for any active duty or reserve military to buy alcohol, pistols and rifles, as well as be able to vote at age 18. I'd even throw in rental cars

Seems reasonable to me: 21 for most people, 18 if serving in military. (Would be an incentive to join up, too.)

Strambo, in "Starship Troopers" the franchise was not open to those IN the national service, but only to veterans--those who HAD served.

flashguy

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Originally posted by newtoSig765
The same way it worked up until we changed the damned voting age, that's how.

I actually asked this question of my college room mate, now a retired Brigadier General, some years back. He said,

"You give them a damned order and expect them to obey!"

There is a reason your buddy only made O7, he's kind of an idiot isn't he.

Unless selective service gets bumped to 21, not being able to own a firearm but potentially being required to serve in the military is unconstitutional bullshit. Repealing the 26th amendment, also bullshit.

For the couple of you who implied or flat out said that all is required of military service is following orders, it's fairly obvious you have never spent a day in uniform in your life. I was often on detached duties with no one to give me orders as a 19yr old NCO.

Much later as a mustang, I often sent 19 and 20 year olds off to do all kinds of things, my orders to them? "Accomplish your mission, don't disgrace your uniform". They never once let me down.

If all of the teenagers around you are complete dumbasses, perhaps you should take a long hard look in the mirror and examine what kind of example you are setting for them in word and deed.

There is a big spectrum between "complete dumbasses" and "full adult maturity".

And there is also a spectrum of gradations between "ALL that is required is to follow orders" and "your primary responsibility is to follow orders".

But the "automatic upgrade to full adult rights" for military members does seem like a great solution to the problem.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:

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Originally posted by Sigfan Roy:

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by HK Ag:
After the Florida thing I am all for making the voting age 21.

I have lost patience with all the emotionalism. These kids are ready to throw away their liberty for security now, foolish.

HK Ag

And how to do tell some 20 year old Infantry grunt who's been breaking his hump for his country and wants to vote for HIS choice of President, that he now can't? Hmm? How does that work?

Actually, I'd be in favor of an exemption for any active duty or reserve military to buy alcohol, pistols and rifles, as well as be able to vote at age 18. I'd even throw in rental cars

^^^ This Sounds Reasonable! Membership has it's privileges....

Why should government force a private business to rent cars to people it doesn't want to rent cars to?

So your old enough to die for your country at 18 and carry an M9, but not old enough to buy an M9. So yeah, amend it to 21, but no joining the .mil until 21 as well.