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Your salt comparison is totally apples/oranges. Our bodies can't create it. To speak to your first point, if our bodies can "break other things down" to get sugar....why do we need to eat any? “People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” –Chuck Palahnuik Be harder to kill: https://preparefit.ck.page | |||
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We eat whole foods as much as practical and stay away from processed and refined. I'm not afraid of carbs like a lot of people but would rather eat healthy complex carbs instead of simple carbs that don't have a lot of health benefit. I'm not afraid of bread either, love it in fact, but don't eat much because the calories add up fast. I do have a sandwich most weekdays for lunch and a couple months ago I started milling wheat and baking my own bread. Bread made with fresh milled wheat berries tastes light years better than any white bread ever could. | |||
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Nice! This is the gist of the OP. Basic, healthy eating as a baseline. Balze mentioned it is "common sense", but looking around our society, I don't think it is at all... We have a vegan in our family. She is very young, very overweight, and eats horrifically. Been a vegan all her life, but I don't think she knows the first thing about nutrition. She is an expert on what comes from animal products and avoids that. Offhand, I don't think I've even seen her eat vegetables (at least not many) if you can believe that! At family gatherings, my wife and I get plenty of meat and veggies, she has plenty of various carbs, dessert, and a token veggie patty. Just about any flavor of "diet" can be healthy if it is whole foods based and you know your nutrients making sure you get the vitamins and essential fatty and amino acids you need. This gets harder at the extreme ends (say Atkins vs. Vegan). “People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” –Chuck Palahnuik Be harder to kill: https://preparefit.ck.page | |||
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I really don't care if food is "processed" or not that strikes me as a meaningless word. It's almost as bad as "organic". All food is "organic". "Inorganic" food wouldn't be food. But from my experience I will say: 1. Carbohydrates are addictive, are NOT necessary/essential and are evil. I try to limit to under 20 grams daily. Don't buy the "balanced diet" bull shit. Neither carbs nor strychnine should be considered a healthy part of any diet, "balanced" or not. 2. Sugar is super evil. 3. Artificial sweetener is evil's twin sister. 4. Carbonated beverages, even sparkling water should probably be avoided. 5. Don't fear the fat. 6. There is nothing wrong with supplements. I am a sugar/carb addict, but I'm on the wagon right now. I pray to stay on it. God Bless and Protect our Beloved President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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It's simply a fallacy to say things like white rice are "unhealthy." Quite the contrary, it's one of those foods I rely on greatly when I'm hard into my cycling season. Sure, when I was at the Academy and playing football and insane about weight lifting I used to refer to white bread and white rice as "white death." At the time and for my stated goals, that was true enough I suppose, but when my goals changed so did my diet. It's the same today as it was then. I've been off the bike for over a month now as I transition to the colder months. As such, my white rice, "white" pasta, white whatever intake has dropped to practically zero. My goals now are to build back up my upper body and to stay lean. My diet will reflect that. I've been goal oriented this way in regards to my diet for over 20 years now. It's to the point where I don't even have to think about it. As I get older now though, it'll be interesting to see how my body changes and responds to these things. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Supposedly, a couple of tricks for lowering the glycemic index of rice are 1)cook it in coconut oil and 2)refrigerate it after you cook it and then reheat if you want to. SIGforum's triple minority "It can't rain all the time." - Eric Draven | |||
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The way I see it. If by the age of 40 you don't know what your own body's requirements are, you'll never get it. Second rule. Everything in moderation. A man's optimal physical development occurs at age 35. Third rule. Everything goes downhill from there. Want a supplement? Here's what works for me. Royal jelly. The Popes have been consuming it on a daily basis for centuries. If they survive an assassination attempt they outlive (statistically) non-Popes. If refrigerated, keep refrigerated. Have it mixed with honey, or in powdered form. Maybe it works for you. Two immediate effects. Pure royal jelly tastes worse than shit. And your libido (like The Force) will be noticeably improved. Here's to a healthy lifestyle!  *************************** Knowing more by accident than on purpose. | |||
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When I was 40 nobody knew their body's requirements, certainly including me but maybe not Jack Lalane. But when you learn more, you do better. I have been and continue to make a real effort to understand how 'our' systems work and then narrow it down to how mine works within it. a quick for instance, I eat very little wheat, some sneaks in with sauces and what-not but I don't eat it if I can see it. A slice of toast will give me a flare-up of arthritis. I dislike that more than I like toast and orange marmalade. You may be right though, I may never figure it out but I'll know more in 2018 than I do in 2017. _______________________ | |||
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Kindly allow me, wishfull thinker. Everybody is different. We all have different metabolisms. What's good for me, might not be good for you. Bee products, for instance. Some are allergic, some are not. Don't take that track. Wrong way to take. It's not one system for all. As soon as you recognize that---your body will tell you what it needs. Listen to it. Agreed, it can be quite demanding. *************************** Knowing more by accident than on purpose. | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
By the way, I'll just say that this is a patently absurd statement. Carbohydrates most certainly are essential. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Really? What is the US RDA for carbs? A: There is none. What essential vitamin, mineral or nutrient is available from carbs that can not be found else where or from supplements? A: There is none. What disease results from avoiding carbs to the maximum extent possible? A: There is none. It may be impossible to 100% avoid every last carb, but it doesn't hurt to try. Oh, and it greatly helps with BG control. God Bless and Protect our Beloved President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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45-65% of daily caloric intake. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/b...4/?report=objectonly | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
So I'm guessing you don't do much cardio, huh... ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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God Bless and Protect our Beloved President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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Once the body is adapted to low carb, it's not an issue. Something to note, carbs impede the bodies ability to burn fat. Carbs raise blood sugar. Blood sugar signals the body to raise insulin level. Insulin triggers fat storage (that glucose has to go somewhere) and impedes fat burning. This is why teenage girls with Type 1, sometimes will stop taking insulin in order to lose weight. It is called "Diabulimia" and is a serious condition. Also you are supposed to vary your insulin injection site to prevent the formation of a fat pouch at a single location. I was diagnosed in 2012 with a fasting BG of 340 and an A1C of 11.2. This week my FBG was 102 and my A1C 5.5. But I've had it as low as 4.9. Metformin only no insulin. It's all about the carbs. God Bless and Protect our Beloved President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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Sorry, I didn't realize you were diabetic. For you, carbs are trouble. | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Haha, ok. But if you don't mind, I'll continue to consume carbohydrates before, during, and after my next 70 mile bike ride through the mountains here. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Why? Brown rice has more protein, lower carbs and a lower glycemic index than white rice. Unless it's for the flavour. (Wouldn't blame you. I prefer white rice's flavour, myself. But that doesn't change it's relative nutritional value.)
That would be like saying "all carbs are bad." (Some believe that. I do not.) Yes, most nutritional supplements are the "ultimate processed food." So are vitamin supplements, supplements like CoQ10, chondroitin/glucosamine and saw palmetto extracts. Difference is those highly-processed supplements are designed to add something needed/good, whereas raw sugar merely adds "sweet" and a lot of non-nutritional calories which generally gets converted directly to fat.
I do. High-Intensity Interval Training (HIIT), in fact. So I researched it. Typical of what I found: Protein Vs. Carbohydrate Drink After Cardio Exercise I guess I couldn't argue against carb loading if you're going to compete in a marathon (I'd tend to rely on BCAA before and during, myself), but, post-exercise, studies are increasingly indicating protein is better. Consider: If the cardio is sub-anaerobic threshold, you will have used little glycogen stores in the first place. So any carbs your consume will go straight to fat, which rather defeats the purpose. If you do go much supra-AT, your musles are going to want protein to rebuild. Doing an interval fast this morning. Can't eat for another three hours. I'm hungry  "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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So, because you choose to ride bikes that makes carbs great for everyone? Does that even make them great for you (in the quantities and of the quality you are eating them?) As a macro-nutrient "carbs" are the only one we don't need. Our body uses them for quick energy, when that need is fulfilled to replenish glycogen stores in the liver and muscles, then converts surplus to fat. However, our bodies can get glycogen out of fats and proteins (if it couldn't, we'd be brain-dead withing a day or so of fasting). I didn't demonize carbs in the OP because it makes more sense to me to focus on eating healthy foods and it will take care of itself. That said, just because an endurance athlete may have a greater need for carbs for quick energy and to replenish glycogen stores, that doesn't make white rice and pasta good foods. Yeah, they have carbs but little else. How about fruit and sweet potatoes instead? Same high carb, way more vitamins. Post workout actually is the best time for carbs and BCAAs. Your body will prioritize replenishing depleted glycogen stores, so the protein is going to get wasted w/o some carbs. So, eat a banana along with the protein. The protein doesn't need to be a supplement or shake, just have some meat. Pre-workout, if your glycogen stores are full, all the "carb loading" is doing is displacing more nutritious foods and getting stored as fat if not needed for energy (for the workout you haven't done yet). On Black Friday we have a tradition of hiking 30+ miles. I made it 26mi before even eating anything at all (since T-Day dinner the eve prior), I wasn't hungry and had plenty of energy. I didn't intend to go that long, but at mile 16, I felt great and had no hunger so I decided to really pay attention to my energy and hunger levels and see what happens. How far can I go in a fasted state feeling good while doing high activity? At 26 miles and about 4pm, I felt really hungry so I had some trail mix and jerky. Anyway, I estimate the glycogen stores in my liver and muscles got me to about the halfway point or so, then my body had to start burning fat to keep me going. It didn't feel like I hit a wall or even was able to sense the switch which was what I was trying to figure out. I just kept going with same energy but slowly started to feel really hungry. I think we have about 200-300g of glycogen in the liver and 200-500 in the muscles. So, at 4 cals per gram that is between 1600 and 3200 calories of energy from glycogen available without eating before your body needs to burn any fat at all. “People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” –Chuck Palahnuik Be harder to kill: https://preparefit.ck.page | |||
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