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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
If you were in that position I think you might have a completely different mind set.

Right before Trump came down the escalator to announce his intention to run for POTUS 10 years ago, he was on an elevator with his family. He turned to Don Jr. and told him their lives were never going to be the same again, and there was no going back. That they would quickly discover who their true friends were going to be. He absolutely knew what was in store, he absolutely knew the shitstorm he was stepping into. He didn't have to do this; in general, politicians get into the business because they want what Trump had- fortune, fame, power, and beloved by many. Trump had this all without stepping into elected office, and he knew that he was going to sacrifice what he worked for to hopefully save the country.

Donald Trump is the most hated, vilified person in history, the reasons all based on lies, twisting of facts, personal attacks. No decent human being should have to endure the hell he had gone through so far, and nobody, NOBODY knows what it is like to be in his shoes. Any other rational person would crumble and wave the white flag after the first year.

Hollywood quickly became the most vicious attacker of Trump due to their high profile celebrities who can get their voices heard, and the two most hateful persons out of the bunch were Rosie O'Donnell and Rob Reiner. Their relentless, vitriol-filled diatribes of lies and personal attacks were unparalleled, they did this almost daily for 10 years, and continued to do so in the last year. It angers me when people dismiss this shit as "politics", it is far more sinister than mere politics. And Reiner in particular chose to use his profession to try and create projects to malign and attack Trump. To say hating and attacking Trump became an obsession for Reiner is an understatement.

I take Trump's words in regards to Reiner's death with indifference- I don't congratulate him nor do I condemn him. "It is what it is". Anyone who is shocked or outraged over his recent post- where have you been? He has ALWAYS done this, been honest, transparent, wearing his opinions on his sleeve. To me, if anyone has a right to criticize Reiner now, it is Trump, who has taken 10 solid years of relentless bullshit and lies from him. He is close to 80 yo, survived a shot to the head, and is a lame duck- he has run out of fucks to give. And like I stated earlier, NOBODY knows what it is like to be in his shoes. I look at his recent post as a goodbye to one of his public enemies, and I agree with Biker_dude, Trump displayed restraint, and he did not celebrate Reiner's murder. IMO, he has nothing to apologize for.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
At the end of the day, the deaths of Rob Reiner and his wife are ultimately the result of a poor parenting, or the lack thereof! Regardless of any mental defect/issues he may have had, or developed over years of drug use/abuse, a rich kid doesn't develop a drug habit of such consequence/significance as a teenager without being enabled financially by wealthy parents who were, all the while, derelict in their parental responsibilities. They significantly contributed to their own demise!

I'm sure that's part of it. They were probably bad or just absent parents. The kid probably had too much money at his disposal and not enough direction.

BUT sometimes kids just go off the rails, start using drugs during brain formation, and develop schizophrenia and are just never the same as what they could have been.

Did the parents cause it? Maybe. That's usually what the psych docs say. It can't be the responsibility of the drug user.

Jett here. A lot of people on our side completely lost their nerve yesterday, and it exposed something deeper than a single Trump statement ever could. Let’s get into it.

Rob Reiner was murdered in a horrific, tragic act. Full stop. But just because Rob Reiner was murdered by his son doesn’t mean he wasn’t a hate-filled asshole. Rob Reiner spent the last decade of his life consumed by uncontrollable rage toward Donald Trump and the people who support him. That isn’t an opinion. It’s public record.

His death doesn’t erase it, soften it, or magically turn him into something he wasn’t.

Trump issued a statement that did two things at once, and that’s what broke people. He acknowledged the tragedy, and he told the truth about who Rob Reiner was and how he lived. He didn’t sugarcoat it. He didn’t play the fake civility game. He didn’t suddenly pretend the last ten years never happened. And that sent a segment of the right into full panic mode.
Why? Well, because they’re exhausted and afraid of the media response. They’re afraid of being called cruel and afraid of having to defend Trump yet again. They want a pause button and a moment of fake peace where everyone says the “right thing,” holds hands, and pretends the war isn’t still raging.
But that moment isn’t reality and never will be.

Here’s the part people refuse to face. When Charlie Kirk was murdered, the left did not suddenly become kind, reflective, or charitable. They called him extreme and dangerous. They gleefully implied his rhetoric invited violence; they blamed him for being assassinated. They kept the fight going because that’s how they operate and win. And nobody on the left demanded civility from their side, because they understand something our side still struggles with: You don’t pause a war because it makes you uncomfortable or because you need a “breather.”
And this is where the Christian confusion kicks in…

Too many people on the right have allowed a godless left to define what Christianity is supposed to look like in public life. They’ve been trained to believe faith means silence, apology, and endless restraint, even in the face of open hostility. That confusion is intentional. Christianity teaches restraint, yes, but it never teaches surrender to lies, intimidation, or moral coercion. When believers stop knowing the difference, they become easy to manipulate, and the left exploits that weakness every single time.
Trump isn’t playing that game. He never has. He told the truth about who Rob Reiner was in life while still acknowledging the horror of his death. That combination rattled people on the right because it forced an uncomfortable realization. You can be honest and humane at the same time, and you don’t need to lie, soften reality, or perform fake civility just because the moment is sensitive.

The hard truth is this: if Trump had said anything different, it would have been fake, and deep down, you know it. Some of you wish he had been fake anyway, and that says more about you than it does about him. Death doesn’t grant sainthood. It doesn’t erase years of unacceptable behavior.
If hearing the truth at an uncomfortable moment rattles you this badly, the real problem is that you’re still trying to fight a no-rules opponent while clinging to rules that only you follow, and that are weaponized against you every single day. Some of you will read this and feel instantly defensive, and that’s expected. Not everyone is built to fight a movement as ruthless and destructive as the left. But at some point, you either accept your limitations and change, or you get out of the way. And if you can’t change, the least you can do is shut up and stop bashing the one guy out here who actually has the balls to fight.

What this moment really exposed wasn’t Trump’s tone. It exposed our discomfort with fighting honestly.
Like I said earlier, a lot of people on the right wanted Trump to give them a pause button. A soft moment. Something they could hold up to the media and say, “See, we’re better people.” Not because it mattered, but because they’re tired. Tired of defending. Tired of being attacked. Tired of living in a constant political war they never signed up for.
That exhaustion is real. But it’s also part of how we got here.
For decades, many of us trusted institutions that didn’t deserve it. We believed in a two-party system that wasn’t real. We believed wars were necessary because officials said so. We believed men like Romney and McCain were opposition when they were just controlled alternatives. We went along to get along, and the country paid the price.
Trump didn’t create this mess. We did, by falling asleep at the wheel. He forced us to wake up and see it.
And when he speaks plainly, especially in moments where polite fiction would be easier, it makes people nervous. Not because it’s wrong, but because it removes the comfort blanket. It reminds us that this fight never pauses just because tragedy happens.
The left understands this. They don’t soften their worldview when someone they hate dies. They don’t pretend Charlie Kirk was something he wasn’t. They stay aligned with their narrative because they understand something uncomfortable but true: This is a war of values, not some polite dinner party.
Our side still struggles with that reality.
If we can’t handle truth spoken plainly during uncomfortable moments, then we’re not ready for the fight we’re already in. And if we expect Trump to carry the emotional burden of our unease, then we’re asking him to lie so we don’t have to feel exposed.
https://www.cypher-news.com/20...r-was-a-work-of-art/

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
At the end of the day, the deaths of Rob Reiner and his wife are ultimately the result of a poor parenting, or the lack thereof! Regardless of any mental defect/issues he may have had, or developed over years of drug use/abuse, a rich kid doesn't develop a drug habit of such consequence/significance as a teenager without being enabled financially by wealthy parents who were, all the while, derelict in their parental responsibilities. They significantly contributed to their own demise!

I'm sure that's part of it. They were probably bad or just absent parents. The kid probably had too much money at his disposal and not enough direction.

BUT sometimes kids just go off the rails, start using drugs during brain formation, and develop schizophrenia and are just never the same as what they could have been.

Did the parents cause it? Maybe. That's usually what the psych docs say. It can't be the responsibility of the drug user.

Not disputing that kids can and do 'go off the rails' (this one likely did), but think about it...He did stints in Rehab, SEVENTEEN times as a teenager! Even assuming some of those 'stints' were at 18 & 19, that leaves many (most?) of this kids teenage years during which his drug use/abuse was out of control, while the parents were essentially AWOL...AND funding his habit!

On this page I've seen more common sense about Trump's response to Reiner's death than I've seen anywhere else. Mind you, I hated what he wrote.
My wife and I told each other as soon as we heard about the murder: "We won't see people on the Right doing like the Left has done, cheering on violence. It seemed to me that Trump's response was way over the top. BUT...and here's where the common sense comes in:

Are you fucking kidding me? Did you HEAR what people on the left (in social media anyway, and the leftist media) said after Charlie Kirk's assassination? After the attempted assassination of Trump? Have you any idea what it would have done to this country if that little shit had succeeded--by the grace of God Almighty he did not.

What do we EVER get from acting civilly? Shit on.

OK, rant off. I'm glad I came here today.

I'm glad to have read the posts on this page. Oddball, Gustofer, and sjtill have put into words what I've been thinking and feeling.

Thank you.

I feel no sympathy for the Rieners, with all their money they could have left Brentwood and moved anywhere to try and separate their kid from the people and drugs fueling and abetting his addiction but they didn’t, to me that speaks volumes about them.

In high school I had a shop teacher that would walk around the class and if he smelled dope (Weed) he would give you a choice of a swat or a trip to the office. Him and his wife were murdered by there son, also an addict.


https://nwitimes.com/news/loca...ce-3cc4b1fe512b.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/ch...g-parents-last-fall/

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BUT sometimes kids just go off the rails, start using drugs during brain formation, and develop schizophrenia and are just never the same as what they could have been.

It's much easier for kids to "go off the rails" when someone has fully built out a siding for them, and given them a train that is too long to fit in it.

Not to mention that many parental units are already fully off the rails themselves when they decide to start raising a family.

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https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/s.../2000952566994362692

I thought this was excellent and spot on:


Nolte: President Trump’s Rob Reiner Statement Made a Valuable Point

President Trump’s Truth Social post about the murder of Rob Reiner has all the usual suspects beside themselves (their favorite position), but there’s a great point in the President’s words that everyone appears to be missing.

"A very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling, but once very talented movie director and comedy star, has passed away, together with his wife, Michele, reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding, and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME, sometimes referred to as TDS. He was known to have driven people CRAZY by his raging obsession of President Donald J. Trump, with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump Administration surpassed all goals and expectations of greatness, and with the Golden Age of America upon us, perhaps like never before. May Rob and Michele rest in peace!"

First off, as is always the case, those raging against Trump refuse to see things from his viewpoint. As much as we might admire Rob Reiner’s art and grieve his and his wife’s grisly murder, Reiner’s legacy is a full legacy that goes beyond his terrible death, his time on All in the Family, and the great movies he directed. There is also this…

For at least a decade, Reiner was one of the ugliest, cruelest, and most dishonest political animals on the public stage. Heaven only knows how he found time to do anything other than abuse his status as a Hollywood and political elite, as he seemed to eat up his waking hours spreading what he knew were lies (the Russia Collusion Hoax, etc.). Worse, he deliberately engaged in a crusade to dehumanize Trump and his supporters as existential threats to the world, democracy, and America.

Sorry, but there is no excusing Reiner’s use of his public standing to abuse the truth.

Remember this… It wasn’t Trump who made this feud personal and public. It was Rob Reiner, and asking a human being (which Trump’s critics tend to forget he is) to wash away a decade of bitter, dishonest, and highly personal smears with goodwill that was never extended to him is asking an awful lot.

But here’s the part of Trump’s statement that grabbed me…

Reiner “was known to have driven people CRAZY by his raging obsession of President Donald J. Trump, with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights…” wrote the President.

From what we know, Rob Reiner’s 32-year-old son Nick has been arrested and charged with butchering his mother and father. We also know that Nick has a long history of mental and addiction issues that stretch back to his early teens. And here’s something else we know…

For a full decade now, the corporate media, the Democrat Party, Hollywood, academia, Silicon Valley, much of corporate America, and their high-profile spokespeople (like Rob Reiner) have relentlessly engaged in what they know is a dishonest campaign to gin up hate and fear. Ever since Trump arrived on the political scene in 2015, every major leftist institution has focused on making a substantial percentage of the country not only hate Trump and his supporters, but hate anyone who dares disagree with them on any issue. George Orwell wrote of a daily “Two Minutes Hate.” That’s nothing compared to the last ten years — a 24/7 hate-hate-hate crusade ringing out from every corner of our culture. Rob Reiner stood at the tip of that spear straight through to the end of last year.

In addition to the hate, there’s the fear these institutions and people like Reiner spread like heroin. All the ferocious lies about Nazis and fascism and the end of democracy… The planet is doomed, the oceans will rise, America is a racist country, capitalism has failed, the future is hopeless….

Granted, we don’t know if this had anything to do with Rob and Michelle Reiner’s murder, but common sense tells us that Trump has a point.

Just take a moment to think about it, and you’ll realize this manufactured hate campaign has had a devastating effect on Americans’ mental health; that a decade of spreading all of this bitter fear, division, and hopelessness has triggered something in those who were already mentally fragile. How could it not? Even if you erase the Reiner tragedy from the discussion, we’ve seen an explosion of behavior from the left that ranges from violent to frightening to bizarre to cruel.

They tried to assassinate Trump twice.

They assassinated Charlie Kirk.

Then they celebrated Kirk’s assassination.

Then they mercilessly went after his widow.

They brag about excommunicating family members who vote differently.

They’re desperate to sterilize and sexualize children.

They gush over the cute assassin accused of gunning down a healthcare CEO.

They support attorney general candidates who openly wish death on Republican children.

And they justify this madness based on their self-righteous hate and existential fear of The Other Side, of Those Bad People, of you and I — a hate deliberately and carefully crafted out of lies by our Whoopi Goldbergs, Jake Tappers, Nancy Pelosis, and, yes, Rob Reiners.

There is simply no doubt that the organized left — and Rob Reiner was one of their outspoken leaders — have worsened mental health in this country, not based on what they see as an actual threat, but based on their bloodthirsty desire to gain and hold onto power at any cost. And it’s all lies directed at one man who, in a sane world, would be seen as a moderate Republican.

But here’s the thing… When you’re provoking the mentally fragile and ill, you can’t guarantee how the tipping point will manifest, where it will be directed, or if the monster you’ve created won’t turn on you.

Might it have been better for Trump to say nothing about Reiner?

Perhaps.

But that doesn’t mean he’s wrong.

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...de-a-valuable-point/

That video WAS intriguing, oddball,
thanks for the post.

oddball...or anyone who might know, when did this "interview" take place? Sounds like sometime in 2017?

^^^^^^^^

I read February 2018.

Thank you!

One thing is certain- no more of this horse shit from the guy:

https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2001071276610166961

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Originally posted by Ripley:
Reiner was glandular ... about Trump

Ok, I've tried 6 online dictionaries; still don't get it.

"Glandular" ?

^^^From AI:

"'Glandular behavior' is not a standard scientific or medical term. Instead, the concept refers to the influence of glands and the hormones they produce on an individual's behavior, emotions, and overall bodily functions."

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Originally posted by parabellum:
One thing is certain- no more of this horse shit from the guy:

https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2001071276610166961

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Except he'll probably still vote.

Imagine if RR spent all of the time and effort over the last 10 years obsessing on and working to bring down DT, instead working to improve his relationship and the life of his son.