At the top, neither leader (Obama/Hillary) was a real "leader." They only cared about themselves, they didn't even stay up and see it through, they both went to bed.

Beyond that, Libya was a "failed state" and nobody else was stupid enough to even have an embassy there. So why did we? Because it was politically advantageous to the Obama administration at the time to perpetuate the lie that there was an "Arab Spring" and our backing of this Muslim Brotherhood backed insurgency would come out roses, so they downplayed any security threats.

Then, they were told repeatedly about actual, credible intel of real threats and the need to not pull the robust security team...it fell on deaf ears for the reasons listed above.

If that happened (God forbid) tonight, does any of us doubt Trump would be up all night in the situation room and send every available asset while threatening to wreak holy hell on any world leader who had the temporary insanity to not permit us to overfly their shithole country?

Even so easy a thing as a show of force flight of F-16's from Incirlik (no ordnance drop, just low level sonic booms over the tangos) could have made all the difference...

And then...they lied about it after. They were swell.

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Originally posted by Doc H.:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." 

It is amazing to me, how often H. Clintonion *ignorance* has been accepted to explain away H. Clintonion *malevolence*.

Read about Mr. Marc Turi. He is the guy USDOS gave an ITAR permit to, then claimed he violated ITAR when they needed a back stop villain for Benghazi because no one believed the video and its maker were responsible.

I followed his case with some interest because it involved an "ITAR violation" despite his having an ITAR permit to do exactly what Turi did.

The ITAR case was withdrawn by USDOJ in October 2016.

Lemmeeee see what else happened around then? Oh, yeah a lying sack of shit, faced with new evidence from the laptop of a sexual predator, exonerated an evil sack of shit and her immediate henchpersons right before said evil sack of shit, the most qualified candidate for President ever, got the 1979 disco-themed mattress cover beaten off her by a rich real estate investor.

Turi's investigation and trial lasted four years, cost $10M, and ruined Turi personally and professionally.

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
What happened in Benghazi is cause for national shame.

No, what happened in Benghazi is cause to burn multiple politicians and military commanders at the stake on the White House lawn. And no, I'm not kidding with that statement. Good Americans were left to die because political filth opted to first ignore, and then later, try to sweep the entire encounter under the rug. A couple questions that have never been answered that I damn sure want and deserve an answer to are....

1 - Where specifically was that limp dick, mental moron, POS, president of ours when the attacks were occurring? That asshole owns this entire catastrophe, and instead of hobnobbing around the world, should be sitting in the federal penn serving a life sentence.
2 - Why after every embassy in Benghazi was closed and the ambassadors recalled, was Chris Stevens there in the first place? And related, why was Stevens staying at a private estate and not the US embassy?
3 - After the entire encounter had concluded, why were the survivors flow out of Benghazi on 1) a private oil barron's jet, and 2) a Pakastani cargo plane? Why were no US planes and troops on the ground at that point to protect what was left of the survivors?

I harbor huge disdain for Obama and his political agenda. But I absolutely, without any hesitation, hate the man for what occurred in Benghazi. I real man, one with a conscience and character would have been scarred for life by what happened, which demonstrates to all of us what a complete POS Barry the Wonder Putz is. May he live a short life on earth and an eternity in hell.

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Originally posted by Doc H.:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." 

i agree

we can surmise it was a nefarious plan

but i think basically he had a bunch of incompetent lackeys in many key roles

they just didn't care -OR- have the moral fortitude to do the right thing

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Originally posted by Strambo:

...Beyond that, Libya was a "failed state..."

Because Obama & Hillary STUPIDLY pushed the UN to intervene and remove Qaddaffi!

https://www.foreignaffairs.com...obamas-libya-debacle

Obama’s Libya Debacle
How a Well-Meaning Intervention Ended in Failure

By Alan J. Kuperman
March/April 2015

On March 17, 2011, the UN Security Council passed Resolution 1973, spearheaded by the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama, authorizing military intervention in Libya. The goal, Obama explained, was to save the lives of peaceful, pro-democracy protesters who found themselves the target of a crackdown by Libyan dictator Muammar al-Qaddafi. Not only did Qaddafi endanger the momentum of the nascent Arab Spring, which had recently swept away authoritarian regimes in Tunisia and Egypt, but he also was poised to commit a bloodbath in the Libyan city where the uprising had started, said the president. “We knew that if we waited one more day, Benghazi—a city nearly the size of Charlotte—could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world,” Obama declared. Two days after the UN authorization, the United States and other NATO countries established a no-fly zone throughout Libya and started bombing Qaddafi’s forces. Seven months later, in October 2011, after an extended military campaign with sustained Western support, rebel forces conquered the country and shot Qaddafi dead.

In the immediate wake of the military victory, U.S. officials were triumphant. Writing in these pages in 2012, Ivo Daalder, then the U.S. permanent representative to NATO, and James Stavridis, then supreme allied commander of Europe, declared, “NATO’s operation in Libya has rightly been hailed as a model intervention.” In the Rose Garden after Qaddafi’s death, Obama himself crowed, “Without putting a single U.S. service member on the ground, we achieved our objectives.” Indeed, the United States seemed to have scored a hat trick: nurturing the Arab Spring, averting a Rwanda-like genocide, and eliminating Libya as a potential source of terrorism.

That verdict, however, turns out to have been premature. In retrospect, Obama’s intervention in Libya was an abject failure, judged even by its own standards. Libya has not only failed to evolve into a democracy; it has devolved into a failed state. Violent deaths and other human...

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