I've been vaping for over three years. Quitting a two pack a day habit was almost too easy. I was able to cut my BP meds in half very soon after, not sure I really need them at all now. Other health benefits have been obvious to me.

I had planned to taper the nic but have seen no reason to, I love nicotine. It's mild stimulant and being more in the spotlight now may turn out to have some value like delaying the onset of Alzheimers. I don't like caffeine and drink rarely in social situations so my vices are limited.

FWIW I mix my own with no flavoring (the big wild card in vaping safety) -- PG, VG and nic only.

I haven't smoked a cigar in 3+ years...quit them by vaping. My Doc loves the fact I no longer smoke. I use only US or UK pharmaceutical grade product - no CHICOM shit.
My e-cig produces very low visible vapor. Anyone who works themselves into a tizzy over "second hand" vapor or "seeing a cloud" is no different than your average SJW who freaks out at the sight or thought of {{insert "bad" thing here}}.

Both my MIL and my Mother, who both have noses that a bloodhound would envy, can't smell anything...in the car!
Some folks really need to take a chill pill.

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...but he also said he couldn't imagine there not being negative effects from propylene glycol that's been heated to turn it into a transport medium.

Propylene glycol is found in many things including antifreeze but Iu don't think any of the other uses involve heating it up to 500F before inhaling it.

Propylene glycol is used in cosmetics and on some foodstuff, I believe. It has been studied and has been deemed to be non-toxic. Either way, it is not a carcinogen like tobacco smoke, so I see no reason to disincitivise e-cig if it is reducing smoking.

Perhaps the Doc is coming from the idea that all chemicals must be harmful somehow, a common, pervasive, but incorrect, belief.

His point acknowledged that the chemical has many uses that are safe and non-toxic but instead opined that there are no long term studies where the chemical is vaporized and breathed in the vaping environment.

If you have some studies showing long term heated vapor exposure into the lungs I'm sure he'd be interested.

No, can't say I have any studies off hand. I know the CDC issued a big report on it, but I don't know if they specifically looked at heated and injested PG through inhalation.

I know I've breathed plenty of the stuff from smoke machines at parties. If being heated and vaporized was causing ill effects, you'd think people in the theater business would be showing the effects. Also, it seems like being infused with PG in an IV would be more detrimental than inhalation, since PG is used in many IV drugs. Is there some reason that the Doc feels that heating the propylene glycol changes it into a more toxic or carcinogenic substance? I've never seen any research suggesting that. Not disputing it, just saying I don't know.

All he said was that there are no long term studies and there hasn't been enough time to make any conclusion, one way or the other. He said it might be a coating in the lungs or an irritant or maybe it has a long term latency period like asbestos but overall, he said breathing in heated and vaporized liquid in such close proximity to the vaporizer can't be a good thing and he thought that no pulmonary specialist would disagree based on a lack of conclusive evidence.

His opinon was to have a damn good cigar and appropriate scotch once a month.

My wife quit smoking by taking up vaping. I also have two friends that have done the same. All have said the health benefits from vaping vs smoking are noticeable within 24 hours. The first thing I noticed when the wife switched was our checkbook got a lot thicker. A LOT THICKER. The cost of vaping vs tobacco use is huge. The second thing I noticed was that her morning coughing stopped. The third thing I noticed was that her car interior stopped smelling bad (after we thoroughly cleaned it). I'm seeing very little downside to vaping.

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As a cardiologist who has long been involved in heart disease prevention, as far as I can see e-cigarettes should be encouraged, not discouraged.

Funny, reminds me of those ads from the 50's with physicians promoting cigarettes.

I'm an ex smoker who quit Cold Turkey because trying all the "quit smoking aids" just extended the chemical addiction. Quite simply the nicotine patches, gums, etc. are simply a means to keep you addicted to this drug.

So, yeah, I am also Anti Vaping, STRONGLY ANTI VAPING. Because it will simply keep you hooked on nicotine or on sucking some other needless chemical into your lungs.

BTW, those who really want to quit the nicotine habit I can tell you that it is actually easier than you have been led to believe. Fact is that the physical addiction only takes a week, 7 measly days, to get over. Once past that point then it's simply a matter of reminding yourself how much those damned things cost every time you feel the urge. Note, I am firmly convinced that in spite of all the legislation that our government really doesn't want folks to quit because there is a LOT of money in all those taxes.

When I quit smoking in 2012 it had the immediate effect of putting 300 tax free extra dollars in my pocket every month. Quitting has paid for 3 1911 pistols, a P239, a Ruger LC9S Pro, a 1904 vintage 1892 Winchester in 357 Magnum (previous owner had that done by Winchester in the 50's), a Rossi 1892 in 357 Magnum, and 3 AR-15 rifles (2 in 223 Wylde and 1 300 BLK). Had I quit about 20 years earlier I wouldn't be battling COPD and would probably have a Corvette Z06 in my garage.

BTW, the COPD is under control because I started walking/running in 2015 but smoking has left me lacking the lung capacity to run for more that 1/3 mile without slowing to a walk. That really pisses me off at myself because when I was in my teens a 10 mile run was easy and I was a sub 5 minute runner for a 2 mile run.

I was diagnosed with COPD about five years before I started vaping. In every check up since, the doctor is visibly surprised at how good my lungs sound.

I vaped for 15 months - and completely got off smokes. It clearly helped me quit.

I used a product that had small / marginal cloud.

I noticed I had more air capacity and feel even better today.

I'm in the camp that says vaping can help some quit smoking cigarettes.

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I'm an ex smoker who quit Cold Turkey because trying all the "quit smoking aids" just extended the chemical addiction. Quite simply the nicotine patches, gums, etc. are simply a means to keep you addicted to this drug.
So, yeah, I am also Anti Vaping, STRONGLY ANTI VAPING. Because it will simply keep you hooked on nicotine or on sucking some other needless chemical into your lungs.
BTW, those who really want to quit the nicotine habit I can tell you that it is actually easier than you have been led to believe. Fact is that the physical addiction only takes a week, 7 measly days, to get over. Once past that point then it's simply a matter of reminding yourself how much those damned things cost every time you feel the urge. Note, I am firmly convinced that in spite of all the legislation that our government really doesn't want folks to quit because there is a LOT of money in all those taxes.
When I quit smoking in 2012 it had the immediate effect of putting 300 tax free extra dollars in my pocket every month. Quitting has paid for 3 1911 pistols, a P239, a Ruger LC9S Pro, a 1904 vintage 1892 Winchester in 357 Magnum (previous owner had that done by Winchester in the 50's), a Rossi 1892 in 357 Magnum, and 3 AR-15 rifles (2 in 223 Wylde and 1 300 BLK). Had I quit about 20 years earlier I wouldn't be battling COPD and would probably have a Corvette Z06 in my garage.

BTW, the COPD is under control because I started walking/running in 2015 but smoking has left me lacking the lung capacity to run for more that 1/3 mile without slowing to a walk. That really pisses me off at myself because when I was in my teens a 10 mile run was easy and I was a sub 5 minute runner for a 2 mile run

You should have had that rum time recorded...nobody has ever come close to your world record by 3 minutes.

Do you realize that it WASN'T the NICOTINE that F-ed your lungs up but it was the SMOKING that did it? Why would you care if someone uses nicotine? Do you rail against caffeine users too?

I predict vaping will turn out to be deadly over the long term. I don't see how inhaling a bunch of questionable chemicals designed to make you buy more product has any upside of any kind over tobacco. In full disclosure, I do enjoy a cigar or a pipe every once in a while, particularly during the holidays or hunting in the woods.

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I'm an ex smoker who quit Cold Turkey because trying all the "quit smoking aids" just extended the chemical addiction. Quite simply the nicotine patches, gums, etc. are simply a means to keep you addicted to this drug.
So, yeah, I am also Anti Vaping, STRONGLY ANTI VAPING. Because it will simply keep you hooked on nicotine or on sucking some other needless chemical into your lungs.
BTW, those who really want to quit the nicotine habit I can tell you that it is actually easier than you have been led to believe. Fact is that the physical addiction only takes a week, 7 measly days, to get over. Once past that point then it's simply a matter of reminding yourself how much those damned things cost every time you feel the urge. Note, I am firmly convinced that in spite of all the legislation that our government really doesn't want folks to quit because there is a LOT of money in all those taxes.
When I quit smoking in 2012 it had the immediate effect of putting 300 tax free extra dollars in my pocket every month. Quitting has paid for 3 1911 pistols, a P239, a Ruger LC9S Pro, a 1904 vintage 1892 Winchester in 357 Magnum (previous owner had that done by Winchester in the 50's), a Rossi 1892 in 357 Magnum, and 3 AR-15 rifles (2 in 223 Wylde and 1 300 BLK). Had I quit about 20 years earlier I wouldn't be battling COPD and would probably have a Corvette Z06 in my garage.

BTW, the COPD is under control because I started walking/running in 2015 but smoking has left me lacking the lung capacity to run for more that 1/3 mile without slowing to a walk. That really pisses me off at myself because when I was in my teens a 10 mile run was easy and I was a sub 5 minute runner for a 2 mile run

You should have had that rum time recorded...nobody has ever come close to your world record by 3 minutes.

Obviously you aren't a runner. Because a sub 5 minute time for 2 miles means a sub 5 minute per mile pace.

Do you realize that it WASN'T the NICOTINE that F-ed your lungs up but it was the SMOKING that did it? Why would you care if someone uses nicotine? Do you rail against caffeine users too?

And I am well aware that it was the tar and smoke that f'd up my lungs. However I also know that nicotine is an addictive drug that is actually a TOXIN. Don't believe that take a look at what goes into some insecticides and rat poisons. If you think long term exposure to a toxin is actually good for you I would suggest you reconsider.

I believe Nicotine is only a toxin if you ingest WAY too much of it, which is really hard for humans to do. Similar to how caffeine can be a toxin if ingesting 60 cups of coffee, but to rodents a little bit goes a long way.

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I believe Nicotine is only a toxin if you ingest WAY too much of it, which is really hard for humans to do. Similar to how caffeine can be a toxin if ingesting 60 cups of coffee, but to rodents a little bit goes a long way.

A little certainly goes a long way with insects – it's an excellent insecticide. That's why tobacco (and tomato) plants developed it.

Smoke, vape, I don't really care what people do, but I'm glad places have banned it (like in stores, Home Depot, etc), because I don't want to smell it.