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Kazakhstan has been facing protests and riots for the past several days over rising fuel prices and government corruption.

Yesterday, Russia deployed paratroopers into Kazakhstan, to quell the unrest and protect their access to the country's oil and natural gas supplies, under the pretense that the protests were being caused by "foreign trained terrorists" and it was a "counterterrorism operation".

Overnight, things turned nasty, with buildings being torched and troops opening fire on protesters/rioters, killing dozens and injuring hundreds more. Internet access was shut down across the country, to suppress civilian communication and slow news from reaching the outside world.

https://www.reuters.com/world/...ts-heard-2022-01-06/

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Familiar tactics going back to the 1950s. I see they are bringing in the tanks as well. This country is the 9th largest land mass in the world.
 
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Well, Ukraine will be feeling some relief. Kazahkstan will be an absolute tar pit.


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Just another false flag attack. Nothing new and I doubt there will be any significant response from other governments to this.
I suspect Uncle Joe will send them a stern warning.


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Kazahkstan has always been in the Soviet and then Russian ambit. I think the reference to Hungary (for example) makes sense, and the new Red Tsar is publicly using force to keep his shit straight because he feels he has no other option that will leave him in control.

I think every other neighbor of Russia is taking note - and that, as things go up and down over time, we'll be seeing more (and more determined) attempts to join NATO because of this.

I feel sorry for the Kazahks, but when Putin runs out of influence, and then fear, and then is forced to actually send in troops, everyone sees him as being weak in both Russia and Russia's remaining satraps. Now would be a great time to take advantage of Russia if only Uncah Ho had the brains, guts, determination and (very basic) skills.
 
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Putin is slowly going to bring back the USSR, Vlad is playing chess, Joe Potatus is finger painting and playing with play dough.
 
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Has anyone else heard that the Armenians are piling on with the Russians? What in the hell would the Armenians being doing there?
 
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Has anyone else heard that the Armenians are piling on with the Russians? What in the hell would the Armenians being doing there?


Armenia is a member of the "Collective Security Treaty Organisation", basically a quasi-NATO-esque group of former Soviet militaries, led by Russia.

Consists of Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan.
 
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Just another false flag attack. Nothing new and I doubt there will be any significant response from other governments to this.
I suspect Uncle Joe will send them a stern warning.
Western (Italians, Brits, French, Dutch, and US) oil & gas has a metric shit ton of money invested in Kazachstan.



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Armenia is a member of the "Collective Security Treaty Organisation", basically a quasi-NATO-esque group of former Soviet militaries, led by Russia.

Consists of Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan.

Eghh. Well, here's hoping it gives Erdogan something more severe than indigestion at some point.

Meanwhile (he says, beating his chest), I'm not the only one who sees this as showing that Putin is less than omnipotent.

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Kazakhstan Crisis Exposes Flaw At The Heart Of Vladimir Putin's Authoritarian Model
Roland Oliphant, The Telegraph, Jan. 5, 2022

For post-Soviet autocrats, the almost complete collapse of state authority in the face of nationwide protests in Kazakhstan is the stuff of nightmares. One of Kazakhstan's neighbors will be watching with particular apprehension. Vladimir Putin takes a hard line on revolutions in Russia's former Soviet neighbors. He tends to veiw them as CIA-run special operations directed at removing his allies, and which might one day be aimed at him. That explained his fury at Ukraine's 2014 Maidan, and his backing of Alexander Lukashenko, the dictator of Belarus, against mass protests following a fraudulent election in 2020. But events in Kazakhstan reveal a particular fragility at the heart of his model of authoritarianism.

Of all the post-Soviet autocrats, Nursultan Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan was long considered the most successful. He presided over a relatively wealthy and stable post-Soviet economy that, like Russia, did well out of gas, made its elite extraordinarily rick, and successfully suppressed dissent. Even his 2019 semi-retirement - in which he relinquished the presidency to a trusted ally, but kept his hands on the reins of state by staying on [as? - IC] "Father of the Nation" - was considered the model for ageing autocrats looking to safely step away from day-to-day politics. Possibly, many commentators suggested, it provided an exit strategy for Mr. Putin himself.

On Wednesday, as crowds stormed through cities across the country demanding "shal ket" - down with the old man - that reputation was shattered. That does not mean that Moscow is about to intervene. There is a chance that president Kasymzhomart Tokayev, with a combination of concessions and coercion, will ride out the protests yet. It is unlikely to slip out of Moscow's orbit even if the current government falls, although Moscow will be anxious to ensure the successor does not quit pet projects like the Eurasian Economic Union. Nor would it be wise to predict trouble in Russia on the basis of the uprising across the border. The grievances that saw crowds storming government buildings in Almaty have deep and specific Kazakh roots.

Mr. Putin has also built deep defenses against any such occurrence in Russia. He has jailed or forced into exile all notable leaders of organized opposition. He keeps his security forces will trained and well paid. And he has sought to honor a Soviet-style social contract that offers stability and wages in exchange for political quietism. The presidential administration in Moscow also keeps a hawkish eye on opinion polls and focus groups to give it fair warning of shifts in public mood.

Some pro-Kremlin outlets were already referring to a "Maidan" on Wednesday - a reference to Ukraine's revolution that in official Russian eyes epitomizes foreign interference. Whatever happens in the next few days, Moscow will be watching closely.

Some modification for space and Briticisms; original text at http://www.yahoo.com/news/kaza...heart-181903010.html

I've seen articles claiming that this will be a quick 'police action', with the Russian Army in in small enough quantities and out quickly enough to have no effect on whether Putin tries (or can threaten to try) anything in Ukraine. This has me wondering if Kazakhstan could bog Putin down for a useful length of time and maybe burn enough of his resources and credibility to discourage future adventures in the land of little green men.
 
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