And so it begins...

And I am as hard-core conservative as one gets...and I agree...but not for the same reasons.

I am no Franken fan, either, knowing he stole the election...

And I’m not saying he did not do anything wrong...I believe the allegations against him, and I think Franken should have resigned on his own—not been forced out.

Oh, and Carlson is no conservative.

ST. PAUL—Former Minnesota Gov. Arne Carlson says Minnesota U.S. Sen. Al Franken should rescind his resignation over allegations of sexual misconduct.

His basic reason: It's unfair; Franken's presumption of innocence has been stripped.

"A rush to judgment is, unfortunately, all too human. But a rush to punishment is totally unacceptable," Carlson, who served as governor from 1991 to 1999, wrote in a post on his personal blog Sunday.

In a post that began with a tale of being falsely accused of a burglary when he was in the sixth grade, Carlson, a moderate Republican who supported Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, took shots at President Donald Trump and Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer, suggesting politician motives are trumping facts and fairness.

"Further, we know that Senate Democrats who asked for Franken's resignation may have been motivated more by the politics of the Alabama Senate race than the seriousness of the allegations," Carlson writes. "And now we have the supreme insult of New York Sen. Schumer 'advising' Governor Dayton on how to pick a successor. That is a certainty for GOP advertising in 2018.

"It is time for all of us to sober up. Our nation is in peril with Donald Trump in the White House and Republicans yielding to his demands. We are increasingly moving towards authoritarianism and continued GOP subservience could possibly lead to the dissolution of the Mueller investigation."

Echoing a strain of Franken-defending theories from the left, Carlson raised questions about whether Franken accuser Leeann Tweeden's allegations can fully be trusted.

"The possibility of any rigging by Roger Stone and his associates should cause all of us to call for a rescinding of the Franken resignation and a prompt and thorough review of all allegations by the Senate Ethics Committee," Carlson writes, referring to the right-wing political strategist whose tweet foreshadowing Tweeden's allegations have spawned claims that Tweeden's accusations — part of which were backed up with a photograph that Franken never denied — were part of a smear campaign.

Initially, Franken's set a course that would have put him before the Senate Ethics Committee — the closest thing to a due process hearing for a sitting U.S. senator not charged with an actual crime. But as the number of women accusing him of groping grew, his Senate colleagues, led by a group of Democratic women, began demanding he resign. On Thursday, he announced he would resign in the "coming weeks."

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Carlson, a moderate Republican who supported Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton,

Yeah, that's the definition of a moderate Republican alright....

Damn Minnesota liberals, whether R or D!!!

RMD

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Originally posted by Hay2bale:

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Carlson, a moderate Republican who supported Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton,

Yeah, that's the definition of a moderate Republican alright....

Heh, yeah. Not backing Trump in the primary, I get it. But not supporting McCain or Romney over Obama? I guess they were too conservative...

I think you're going to see more of these so-called "Republicans" getting trotted out to try to counter conservative efforts to get the country back on track.

It's almost as if they are all on the same team working against the people.....

I agree with him, also. I couldn't stand any of the pricks that have resigned so far and I probably won't like the ones still to come. However, this whole "she said it, therefore it is" bullshit is starting to feel really icky and dangerous. The morally superior assholes are running amock and too few of the rest of us have the good sense to recognize the long-term implications, for industry as well as government, including the military, and certainly don't have the guts to insist on more legal and sane responses.

Tawana Brawley
Duke Lacrosse Team
Air Force Academy

There are countless examples of lives being ruined and the offenders getting off scot-free. Lie to the cops? No problem. And now we have a new crop of SJWs who are demanding that this dangerously unfair approach be expanded, even codified.

We're in for some rough sledding over the next few years. I hope we can keep people in high places who have the strength and decency to resist the foolishness that is bringing us down as a country.

With Franken there are pictures so it is not just a she said kind of thing.

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...We're in for some rough sledding over the next few years. I hope we can keep people in high places who have the strength and decency to resist the foolishness that is bringing us down as a country.

This bothers me, too. We're headed for a new Dark Ages if we don't rein in this Mob Rule, with no responsible leaders left to lead, and followers too intimidated by the Mob to follow.

It has nothing to do with what any of these politicians did. It is about driving PRESIDENT Trump from office. Just like the BS Russian collusion story, this is just another attack from a different angle. It is the whole point of this sudden interest in sexual harrassment or abuse.

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With Franken there are pictures ...

There's A picture, and it's obviously a juvenile joke. Doesn't mean Franken isn't a complete and utter twit, but this rail-roading of people based on allegations of two-decades-old bad, not even criminal, but merely bad, behavior is ridiculous.

Much as I would see Franken gone, this is not the way and I wish he'd told everybody to go piss up a rope.

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There's A picture, and it's obviously a juvenile joke.

How many pictures of him playing grab ass does it take to make it a trend?

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...and I wish he'd told everybody to go piss up a rope.

That may be exactly what he intends to do depending on how things go in Alabama tomorrow. This whole mess could get really interesting...and fun. And I don't even like the son of a bitch.

He's trying to be a Frankenfurther

Franken hasn't resigned. He's considering it. My guess is he'll see how Moore does. Then where the demonrat sex claims attack on the President goes. Franken will, no doubt, find a reason to "reconsider" and decide to stay.

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I agree with him, also. I couldn't stand any of the pricks that have resigned so far and I probably won't like the ones still to come. However, this whole "she said it, therefore it is" bullshit is starting to feel really icky and dangerous. The morally superior assholes are running amock and too few of the rest of us have the good sense to recognize the long-term implications, for industry as well as government, including the military, and certainly don't have the guts to insist on more legal and sane responses.

I agree. The New Yorker just fired reporter Ryan Lizza. No specifics given. Lizza also teaches part time at Georgetown University, which learned of his being fired by the New Yorker -- keep in mind, no details given-- and fired him from teaching at Georgetown! Lizza says his firing from the New Yorker is "a terrible mistake."

No due process, no thorough hearing-- his professional life is demolished.

I'm delighted to see all these progressives take one in the nuts, but we need to step back and see what is happening here. And it is increasingly dangerous for every male in the country. A woman, who might remain anonymous, makes am accusation, maybe from decades ago--and you are toast! End of story. Clean out your desk and someone will escort you from the building....

https://www.thedailybeast.com/...-reporter-ryan-lizza

And I agree with Bulldog. When the field is littered with "dead bodies", some new "victims" of Donald Trump will be trotted out. The litany of all those who were disgraced and left their jobs or were fired will be recited to gin up pressure on Trump. You can imagine the "media."

I think Trump would survive, but further entanglements to distract him.

One further thought. On a regular basis female teachers sexually assault young boys. Often serially. These are felonies, but the women charged, tried and found guilty, draw very light prison time. Compare that with the pervert coach who recently got something like 60 years for sexually assaulting female gymnasts.

Something very wrong is going on here. It's much bigger than the lib creeps who have been nailed so far.

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...And it is increasingly dangerous for every male in the country...

I'm retired but reconsidering that. If I get into a management slot, how likely do you thing it is that I will hire a woman to work for me in this environment? Ultimately, the joke may be on them, except I'll be the one laughing.

I'll say it again This Douche Bag ain't going nowhere!

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There's A picture, and it's obviously a juvenile joke.

How many pictures of him playing grab ass does it take to make it a trend?

And in all but the last the women involved seemed to be going along with the joke.

He has, or had, a juvenile sense of humour. I get that. I never found that kind of thing amusing. I've never found Franken at all funny. I certainly don't agree with his politics.

But, while I cannot help but experience a bit of schadenfreude over his situation, this trying, convicting and punishing people on unsubstantiated complaints from decades ago is just plain wrong. I don't care what the target's politics are.

Same goes for decades-past juvenile behaviour, IMO.

If you don't understand this, then I sure as hell wouldn't want you on any jury for which I was on trial.

Presumption of innocence is a legal concept related to criminal prosecutions. It has little use in a political setting.

At the end of the day, no one could force Franken to resign. It was his decision. He could have held his seat and taken the heat, but he decided to step down. Is it unfair? Who cares. Politics ain't bean bag.

Ridiculous that a so-called Republican is writing this nonsense.