Trying to pull a tobacco lawsuit situation on Polymer 89, et al.

https://patch.com/new-york/upp...l&utm_campaign=alert

New York Suing Dangerous 'Ghost Guns' Manufacturers, AG and Adams Say

"These are dangerous weapons — they are being used by murderers," Mayor Eric Adams said of the untraceable parts used to build weapons.

NEW YORK, NY — New York is taking its fight against dangerous "ghost guns" flooding the streets to court.

Mayor Eric Adams and Attorney General Letitia James announced Wednesday that they will both sue a group of manufacturers of the untraceable firearms, which are sold in parts to New Yorkers and built into firearms illegal in the city and state, according to officials.

“There should be no more immunity for gun distributors bringing harm and havoc to New York," James said. "Illegal guns do not belong on our streets or in our communities and we will use every tool necessary to root them out.”

The Attorney General's lawsuit will take aim at 10 of the nation's leading gun distributors who have sold tens of thousands of shipments to New York, she said.

Among the distributors are Brownells, 80 Percent Arms, 80 P Builder or 80P Freedom Co,lockstore, Indie Guns, Primary Arms, Arm or Ally, Rainier Arms and Rock Slide. New York City will file its own suit against five of the 10 companies, according to officials.

The suit comes after New York City undercover investigators purchased gun-making kits from manufacturers used to build semi-automatic weapons, guns with illegal extended magazines and plastic firearms that don't set off metal detectors, Adams said.

The gun-making kits also circumvent federal licensing requirements and have been sold to convicted criminals who otherwise would not have been able to buy a gun, officials said.

"With just a few clicks and a credit card, undercover investigators … were able to order the components and use them to assemble guns that are illegal under city and state law," the mayor said.

The lawsuit is the latest in the city's fight against the unmarked ghost guns, which have been used in several high-profile killings, including the slaying of a teenager in the Bronx.

Earlier this year, the mayor urged the federal government to revoke the license of Nevada-based company Polymer80, who officials say made 90 percent of the unmarked firearms confiscated by the NYPD.

The NYPD has recovered nearly twice as many of the build-at-home guns so far this year than in the same period in 2021, according to officials.

Law enforcement have pointed to the handmade ghost guns as a chief obstacle in their fight against gun violence given that they are often untraceable and easier to buy than traditional guns.

The ghost gun fight is part of Adams' focus on tamping down a surge in gun violence, which has been at the forefront of his reign since he took office at the start of the year.

His efforts have also included the revival of controversial anti-crime units, bringing more cops — and possibly gun detection devices — to the city subways and ongoing calls for state lawmakers to rollback bail reform rules.

The numbers have budged slightly. Shootings citywide have dropped 24 percent so far this month compared to last year, though they are still a far cry from pre-pandemic numbers in 2019, according to NYPD data.

That decline could be hindered by an expected spike in gun violence in the summertime, or, later down the road, the lifting of the state's extensive review process to carry a gun given the recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling.

Just last weekend, six people were shot in three separate incidents across Brooklyn, including a shooting at a Bed-Stuy cookout that hurt an 8-year-old boy.

The New York announcement comes on the heels of another sting to gun traffickers in the federal gun violence prevention bill, which was signed by President Joe Biden late last week.

The legislation includes the criminalization of trafficking of guns across state lines.

Why would these sellers ship to NY if it's illegal there? Seems that'd be a pretty open and shut case, unless the shippers were protected the Commerce Clause, which I'm sure the feds aren't willing to help out with. Adams, of course, is a total idiot and especially ignorant wrt guns, given his past as a cop. But I know plenty of online sellers refuse to ship to certain states. I'd be surprised if they'd ship to NY if they knew it was illegal there.

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plastic firearms that don't set off metal detectors

I will happily buy this guy a box of 50 rounds (9mm or larger) if he agrees to shoot every round through the all plastic pistol that will get through a federal (not state or local) buildings security checkpoint.

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Earlier this year, the mayor urged the federal government to revoke the license of Nevada-based company Polymer80, who officials say made 90 percent of the unmarked firearms confiscated by the NYPD.

I have a VERY hard time believing that number is accurate.
They are saying all these thugs are finishing 80% frames? I mean they're simple, but not THAT simple.

What I "might" believe is that there is a small handful of thugs, that actually have enough skill and some tools, buying these things in quantity and supplying them on the streets. If that's the case, maybe they should go after them? Naw...

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“There should be no more immunity for gun distributors bringing harm and havoc to New York,"

Immunity is reserved for the criminals that use weapons of any kind

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Earlier this year, the mayor urged the federal government to revoke the license of Nevada-based company Polymer80, who officials say made 90 percent of the unmarked firearms confiscated by the NYPD.

I have a VERY hard time believing that number is accurate.
They are saying all these thugs are finishing 80% frames? I mean they're simple, but not THAT simple.

What I "might" believe is that there is a small handful of thugs, that actually have enough skill and some tools, buying these things in quantity and supplying them on the streets. If that's the case, maybe they should go after them? Naw...

Or, of the thousands of illegal guns in NYC, 10 were kit guns, and 8 of those came from Polymer80.

It is quite possible that otherwise law abiding people who had kit guns (not violent criminals) somehow got them confiscated. It could be a few idiots thought it wasn't illegal to possess them but got caught.

While the implication may be that large numbers of violent criminals are caught with operable 80% kit guns, the truth could be quite different.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Earlier this year, the mayor urged the federal government to revoke the license of Nevada-based company Polymer80, who officials say made 90 percent of the unmarked firearms confiscated by the NYPD.

I have a VERY hard time believing that number is accurate.
They are saying all these thugs are finishing 80% frames? I mean they're simple, but not THAT simple.

What I "might" believe is that there is a small handful of thugs, that actually have enough skill and some tools, buying these things in quantity and supplying them on the streets. If that's the case, maybe they should go after them? Naw...

Even then, from where are all the other parts coming?

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Originally posted by Tuckerrnr1:

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Earlier this year, the mayor urged the federal government to revoke the license of Nevada-based company Polymer80, who officials say made 90 percent of the unmarked firearms confiscated by the NYPD.

I have a VERY hard time believing that number is accurate.
They are saying all these thugs are finishing 80% frames? I mean they're simple, but not THAT simple.

What I "might" believe is that there is a small handful of thugs, that actually have enough skill and some tools, buying these things in quantity and supplying them on the streets. If that's the case, maybe they should go after them? Naw...

Even then, from where are all the other parts coming?

Well there's that, too...

As noted above by Fly-Sig, they may just be playing the "lies, damn lies, and statistics" trick here.

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Or, of the thousands of illegal guns in NYC, 10 were kit guns, and 8 of those came from Polymer80.

So I just visited all the sites listed and searched for a g-19 80% frame kit from all the place NY had in the article…


Polymer80 website: “ Shipment Not Available to: California, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Washington”

Brownells: “80% Frames & Receivers
Please check with your state regulations for ownership of 80% Frames & Receivers.”

80P: “will not ship to NJ” “ ….you must see your state’s laws…”

Indie Arms: no restrictions listed

Primary Arms: no specific notation, but you couldn’t put a 80% frame kit in the cart-there may be restrictions listed there

Armor Ally:” No Sales to NJ, CT, IL, HI, MD and D.C.
NY residents must send a copy of a valid state-issued Driver's License.
WA residents must send a state-issued Driver's License AND Concealed Pistol Permit.”

Ranier Arms: “ State Restrictions:
New Jersey - Will not ship due to state restrictions!
New York – Will not ship due to state restrictions!
Washington State - No in-store purchase. Shipping available only!”

Rock slide: doesn’t carry the 80% kit-only Carrie’s slide and upper parts for Glock or P80 frames.

Soooooooooooo dunno how that court case is gonna go for NY state/NYC if the places you are citing won’t sell to addresses in your state.

Stupid people, trying to scare / impress other stupid people.

They may be finding the guns in NY, most likely the kits are shipped to a non restricted state and transported into NYC, finishing done who knows where.

The problem is that NYC can't control the criminal element, they don't have bail, have restrictions on law enforcement actions, and limited jail facilities.

So they go after the money, it may be very well that there are a lot of non serialized guns in NYC in the hands of criminals, which of course proves the old saying that criminalizing guns won't stop criminals from getting the tools they want.

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"With just a few clicks and a credit card, undercover investigators … were able to order the components and use them to assemble guns that are illegal under city and state law," the mayor said.

But did they have them shipped to NY ? If not, was the purchase at all illegal?

The problem is not with the ghost kits but the city & state politicos ghosting their constituents.

This is to establish a precedent. They are revving up to sue as many gun manufacturers as possible. Have to start with the easiest target

That’s awesome news! New York State is the gift that just keeps giving.

They are giving more ammo to us than they possibly can imagine.


Once this hits court… Scotus is going to overturn them. New York has sent several cases up and then pulled them knowing they were going to lose. This last one was gravy… Thank you Clarence Thomas.

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"These are dangerous weapons — they are being used by murderers," Mayor Eric Adams said of the untraceable parts used to build weapons.

Right. I'm sure gangbangers are buying these receivers as well as the fire control components, barrels and slides, performing the necessary machining operations (if any) and assembling everything into a functional gun, when they could simply buy a ready-to-go gun off the street. And when was it ever legal to sell a gun made for one's own use to someone else, let alone use it in a crime? Stupid motherfucker.

I can hear the judge now: "What part of the fact that these items were perfectly legal (and harmless) until your officers did something to them that would otherwise be illegal eludes you?"

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"With just a few clicks and a credit card, undercover investigators … were able to order the components and use them to assemble guns that are illegal under city and state law," the mayor said.

But did they have them shipped to NY ? If not, was the purchase at all illegal?

Well... as police officers they're exempt from that law, so there's no crime no mater what.