How long into this conversation did it take for them to call you a racist?

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Originally posted by elkhunter:

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
Tim Kaine (Hilary's running mate) recently told us that the US didn't "inherit" slavery, the US "created" slavery. So slavery didn't exist in the world until the US was formed. Don't liberals tell us the US was formed for the purpose of promoting slavery?

And that probably started in 1492 with Christopher Columbus (Columbus was evil you know).

If that idiot does not know that the US did NOT CREATE SLAVERY, then he is more of an idiot than I thought.

It's not that he believes it. He knows the ignoramuses will believe it and be too lazy or bigoted to fact check it. In this way he multiplies himself with thousands of useful idiots who will hate America and work to damage her.

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
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Huh...guess Tim Pain hasn't read much about ancient Egypt. Seems those pyramids didn't build themselves, unless the aliens built them. What a complete ass-hat.....

The pyramids weren't built by unionized construction workers?

I seem to have watched a show on the History channel that indicated the workers on the pyramids were well fed, housed, and paid.

flashguy

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
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Huh...guess Tim Pain hasn't read much about ancient Egypt. Seems those pyramids didn't build themselves, unless the aliens built them. What a complete ass-hat.....

The pyramids weren't built by unionized construction workers?

Weren't they laid down, layer-by-layer like some kind of giant 3D printer? How they hell is a human slave supposed to lift one of those giant stones? C'mon man!

Just another brainwashed sheep parroting the NY Slime's agenda.. There is no hope for these idiots.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
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Huh...guess Tim Pain hasn't read much about ancient Egypt. Seems those pyramids didn't build themselves, unless the aliens built them. What a complete ass-hat.....

The pyramids weren't built by unionized construction workers?

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To be fair to the Egyptians (who did own slaves), the pyramids, at least the great pyramids you're thinking of, were not built by slaves. In fact, they were built by something like unionized construction workers. They were highly paid, lived in pretty decent houses purpose built for them, and were largely highly skilled.

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Originally posted by flashguy:I seem to have watched a show on the History channel that indicated the workers on the pyramids were well fed, housed, and paid.

flashguy

People conveniently forget, that the pharaohs were viewed as religious deities, their ascension to the afterlife meant good things for those in the living world. To work on the pyramids was no different than working on the big/ornate cathedrals in Europe; your hard work will be rewarded in the next life. The big-3 in Giza were built in/around 2500BC, absolute rule and a caste system were well entrenched governing pilars, the mere idea of free-will was well off in the distance.

Then again, slavery was widely practiced throughout the world so, it'd be foolhardy to believe such big projects did not have slave labor or some level of indentured servitude involved.

More than their math. According to 23 and Me, 400, 000 of 12.5 million slaves were sent to the US. 8.5 million went to South America. They blame US?

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Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
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Huh...guess Tim Pain hasn't read much about ancient Egypt. Seems those pyramids didn't build themselves, unless the aliens built them. What a complete ass-hat.....

The pyramids weren't built by unionized construction workers?

As an aside:

To be fair to the Egyptians (who did own slaves), the pyramids, at least the great pyramids you're thinking of, were not built by slaves. In fact, they were built by something like unionized construction workers. They were highly paid, lived in pretty decent houses purpose built for them, and were largely highly skilled.

That's a giant false there. The foreman maybe, the designers for sure, but the slave laborers were not. Hell I celebrate every year the Exodus from Egypt where my forefathers escaped from Egyptian slavery.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:. . . Hell I celebrate every year the Exodus from Egypt where my forefathers escaped from Egyptian slavery.

~40 years ago I worked with a fellow, his father was in the leadership of Egypt. The coworker told me flat out, the Jews were never in bondage in Egypt back in Biblical times. The Egyptians kicked them out because the Jews were always living on welfare, the Egyptians couldn't afford it anymore. (The coworker did/said a lot of things I didn't agree with, but that's the story he learned growing up in Egypt.)

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by Skins2881:. . . Hell I celebrate every year the Exodus from Egypt where my forefathers escaped from Egyptian slavery.

~40 years ago I worked with a fellow, his father was in the leadership of Egypt. The coworker told me flat out, the Jews were never in bondage in Egypt back in Biblical times. The Egyptians kicked them out because the Jews were always living on welfare, the Egyptians couldn't afford it anymore. (The coworker did/said a lot of things I didn't agree with, but that's the story he learned growing up in Egypt.)

There's a chance the Bible is false as well as the Torah, hell, I wasn't there. Maybe it's time to edit the Bible.

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Because it's a "living, breathing document", right??

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
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Huh...guess Tim Pain hasn't read much about ancient Egypt. Seems those pyramids didn't build themselves, unless the aliens built them. What a complete ass-hat.....

The pyramids weren't built by unionized construction workers?

As an aside:

To be fair to the Egyptians (who did own slaves), the pyramids, at least the great pyramids you're thinking of, were not built by slaves. In fact, they were built by something like unionized construction workers. They were highly paid, lived in pretty decent houses purpose built for them, and were largely highly skilled.

That's a giant false there. The foreman maybe, the designers for sure, but the slave laborers were not. Hell I celebrate every year the Exodus from Egypt where my forefathers escaped from Egyptian slavery.

If you think Jews built the pyramids, you're only off by a millennium, give or take a few centuries.

The evidence that the workers on the pyramids were free and well off is substantial. It's textual and archaeological. The possibility of the Jews being slaves in Egypt (for which there is no evidence outside the Bible) is irrelevant to the fact of the status of pyramid workers.

Moses post-dates the last built pyramids by centuries, and the Great Pyramid by like 1200 or 1300 years.

Just sayin'.

Of course the very poor generally don't leave behind much documentation.

Sort of like thousands of years from now, experts saying "The people who worked for Amazon made millions of dollars a year."

Thanks, Oat_Action_Man. It’s always interesting to me to see how muddled ideas about history can become. And of course it doesn’t help when analyzing and criticizing some accounts is taboo except among a few scholars. Even if, however, the various bibles and Torah were completely accurate historical accounts, where do they mention the pyramids?

Here is one discussion by a rabbi.

Do some elements of our society still claim that figures like Cleopatra, Nefertiti, Tutankhamun, and the builders of the pyramids were black, sub-Saharan Africans who somehow abandoned Egypt at some point, leaving it to be occupied by the people who live there now?

So sick of this OLD slavery crap. Democrats need to keep this pot all stirred up forever. They need to keep the black community down and depressed.

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If you think Jews built the pyramids, you're only off by a millennium, give or take a few centuries.

The evidence that the workers on the pyramids were free and well off is substantial. It's textual and archaeological. The possibility of the Jews being slaves in Egypt (for which there is no evidence outside the Bible) is irrelevant to the fact of the status of pyramid workers.

Moses post-dates the last built pyramids by centuries, and the Great Pyramid by like 1200 or 1300 years.

Just sayin'

Egyptians used slave labor was my point. Not that Jews built the pyramids, at least not the same ones that are in Exodus, it's maybe possible they were descendants of them, but I doubt it.

Second point the pyramids builders may have included skilled workers, in fact there'd be no way to build them without designers, engineers, artists, masons, foreman and other skilled workers. Those people obviously would have been skilled labor or the pyramids would be a quarter of their height and would have failed thousands of years ago. Just like a skyscraper is built today. There are a number of very educated people leading teams of other smart people, who lead teams of very skilled people, who lead teams of laborers. If there were slaves today, they'd be hauling bricks and be trained to do the mundane tasks involved in building a skyscraper.

The same would have held true thousands of years ago with half (or whatever percentages) acting as the skilled workers, and the other half acting as the bulldozers and other heavy equipment. Artists and engineers were not hauling 20 ton bricks through the desert.

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the very poor generally don't leave behind much documentation.

The contention I've heard argued is, that the slag heaps of the core urban blight is a form of documentation.

Let's not overlook the handy fact that the Arabs, major movers in the Pan-African slave trade, actually went to the all the trouble of inventing a whole new language, Swahili, so that slave traders from all over African could talk to each other.

We're all Africans...if you care to trace it back far enough. Ditto for us all having ancestors that were slaves. Well, except for the very first slave owner ever anywhere I suppose.

I've wondered about getting reparations from the Romans etc. myself. The back interest on it alone would set me up nicely I bet.