But the problem remains the same. People continue to vote these progressives into office.
February 09, 2026, 04:58 PM
Fly-Sig
How will California determine how many miles a vehicle was driven in order to tax it by the mile?
February 09, 2026, 05:06 PM
joel9507
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Paying $1.1 billion to get out of the Democratic People's Republic of Kalifornia?
They're not paying anyone anything. Journalists who don't know accounting shouldn't be writing business articles. They are making an accounting adjustment to reflect that facility's value went down with the decision to stop refining.
Bookkeeping entry of an 'impairment charge' means, they had been carrying the facility as an asset on their books, and they are reducing that value by $1.1B. In point of fact, depending on how they've been taking depreciation tax deductions, they may get a reduction in their tax bill from that writeoff.This message has been edited. Last edited by: joel9507,
February 09, 2026, 05:20 PM
TomV
Won't one of the other nearby Oil Companies likely purchase the closing Refinery ?
February 09, 2026, 05:26 PM
6guns
^^^ I don't know why another oil company would want it, given the BS the state puts them through.
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February 09, 2026, 05:29 PM
V-Tail
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Originally posted by PR64:
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Originally posted by V-Tail:
Question about your picture -- doesn't California require front license plate?
I’m living on the wild side and it’s just a fix it ticket if they decide to write me up for it.
Back about 35 years ago, while maintaining my primary residence here in Florida (rear license plate only), my office was in New Jersey (front and rear plates required).
I was driving my Florida car through a town in northern New Jersey (Tony Soprano area), a cop stepped off the sidewalk and waved me over. I stopped, he walked around to the rear of the car, saw the Florida plate, and grumpily told me to proceed. Everything about his demeanor indicated that he really wanted to write a ticket (my car was a Mercedes), but he couldn't find a reason to do that.
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February 09, 2026, 05:30 PM
SIG228
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Originally posted by Fly-Sig: How will California determine how many miles a vehicle was driven in order to tax it by the mile?
State mandated black box that tracks and records mileage.
February 09, 2026, 05:35 PM
Johnny 3eagles
California, I read, imports 40% of its fuel from India.
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February 09, 2026, 05:40 PM
Aglifter
That 35¢/mile has to be wrong. That’s far more than what a gasoline vehicle pays.
February 09, 2026, 05:40 PM
armored
Last year my Daughter took a job in Big Sur at a resort as a food manager. The resort charged customers $3000+ per night. I checked the area on a map app and saw there was no where near the resort to live unless you bought a $7 million estate, I asked her how she was going to work there. She replied that she could stay at the resort for 2 months before she had to move out and find housing. She eventually could not find any housing that was affordable so she packed and left for Texas. I also asked who stays there at those rates. She started to give a A list of celebrities. I concluded that there are 3 classes that live in CA. One class that controls everything, has so much money that gas prices, insurance and home costs have no meaning. The next class are working people that can barely get by even if they are making a good salary.The 3rd class is the laborers that have to share housing and expenses to a level that most Americans would not settle for.
I think the ruling class there will only care about themselves and then the laborers. I think they just want the state for themselves because they can easily afford it, and the slave labor to maintain it.
February 09, 2026, 06:28 PM
TigerDore
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Originally posted by joel9507: They're not paying anyone anything. Journalists who don't know accounting shouldn't be writing business articles. They are making an accounting adjustment to reflect that facility's value went down with the decision to stop refining.
I should have read more carefully, an actual write-down of the facility makes sense. Thanks, Joel.
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February 09, 2026, 06:33 PM
joel9507
^^^No worries, it's literally the first line of the quoted article:
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Valero just paid a $1.1 billion breakup fee to leave California
It's not just AI that spreads misinformation (although, that said, I'll bet some AI bot will pick this up and then start spitting it back out as gospel pretty soon.)
February 09, 2026, 06:43 PM
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February 09, 2026, 10:12 PM
LS1 GTO
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Originally posted by armored: Last year my Daughter took a job in Big Sur at a resort as a food manager. The resort charged customers $3000+ per night. I checked the area on a map app and saw there was no where near the resort to live unless you bought a $7 million estate, I asked her how she was going to work there. She replied that she could stay at the resort for 2 months before she had to move out and find housing. She eventually could not find any housing that was affordable so she packed and left for Texas. I also asked who stays there at those rates. She started to give a A list of celebrities. I concluded that there are 3 classes that live in CA. One class that controls everything, has so much money that gas prices, insurance and home costs have no meaning. The next class are working people that can barely get by even if they are making a good salary.The 3rd class is the laborers that have to share housing and expenses to a level that most Americans would not settle for.
I think the ruling class there will only care about themselves and then the laborers. I think they just want the state for themselves because they can easily afford it, and the slave labor to maintain it.
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February 10, 2026, 02:50 AM
KMitch200
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Originally posted by Aglifter: That 35¢/mile has to be wrong. That’s far more than what a gasoline vehicle pays.
Well they’re not paying any gasoline tax so I wouldn’t put it past them.
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February 10, 2026, 04:32 AM
trapper189
Gasoline taxes in California appear to be $.60-$.71 per gallon depending on local taxes. Hitting up EVs $.27 a mile over the proposed $.07-$.09 per mile tax on ICE vehicles to make up the lost gas tax seems excessive.
February 10, 2026, 05:42 AM
NapoleonSolo
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Originally posted by Aglifter: That 35¢/mile has to be wrong. That’s far more than what a gasoline vehicle pays.
Yes .35 cents is high but they do not care. That is the number they were using in this test. I ill see if I can fins the article and link it.
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February 10, 2026, 07:36 AM
chellim1
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Originally posted by armored: I think the ruling class there will only care about themselves and then the laborers. I think they just want the state for themselves because they can easily afford it, and the slave labor to maintain it.
In other words: driving the middle class out of the State is a feature, not a bug. They don't want you there. They want a feudal system.
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February 10, 2026, 08:51 AM
Fly-Sig
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Originally posted by SIG228:
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Originally posted by Fly-Sig: How will California determine how many miles a vehicle was driven in order to tax it by the mile?
State mandated black box that tracks and records mileage.
That would seem to bring up a lot of privacy and 5th amendment issues. If all they need is an annual number of miles driven, then there are ways to either self-report or have it documented during a mandatory safety inspection. A tracking device in the vehicle will, hopefully, be fought strongly.
February 10, 2026, 09:14 AM
slosig
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Originally posted by TigerDore: Paying $1.1 billion to get out of the Democratic People's Republic of Kalifornia? Isn't taking hostages and demanding a ransom illegal?
I guess the "teeth" in this corporate shakedown must be their gas stations in the DPRK, obviously the revenue is worth it, but it would be excellent if Valero closed all of their stations there as well, and simply said adios.
The “Paying 1.1 to escape Kommiefornia” is artistic license. They aren’t paying that money to the state, they are writing off 1.1 billion dollars in what could be productive assets if the GDCs in Sacramento weren’t making a concerted effort to make it impossible to do business here. Part of the reason they are writing the facilities off is because nobody else wants to buy them. Maybe someday a developer could buy the property, clean it up, and build houses, but the way CA is hemorrhaging jobs, anybody left won’t be able to afford to buy a house, so even that probably won’t happen.
