I thought all of the American companies switched to the NACS (Tesla) charger?

Debating about switching to Cadillac, if that’s true/might end up with an Escalade though. (Wife likes road trips, incoming baby, Tahoe seats seem uncomfortable compared to the Escalade etc)

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
I thought all of the American companies switched to the NACS (Tesla) charger?

Debating about switching to Cadillac, if that’s true/might end up with an Escalade though. (Wife likes road trips, incoming baby, Tahoe seats seem uncomfortable compared to the Escalade etc)

No not quite.
I had a Loaner Acura ZDX (which is GM based EV) was not chargeable at a Tesla station.
When I complained to the service manager about that, he said they are still in agreements with Tesla for an adapter.

Ugh

There are a ton of places on the road to charge. But tesla is definitely almost a decade infrastructure wise ahead of the competition. Supercharger access is what drove me toward mine a few years ago.

haven't really taken a road trip in it yet but knowing I have the quick charge of the super charger is peace of mind knowing I can.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
I thought all of the American companies switched to the NACS (Tesla) charger?

Debating about switching to Cadillac, if that’s true/might end up with an Escalade though. (Wife likes road trips, incoming baby, Tahoe seats seem uncomfortable compared to the Escalade etc)

The NACS has been recognized as the new standard. However nobody has put the ports in their cars yet that are not Tesla.

I think we will start seeing the NACS ports in cars come the 25-26 models.

Tesla so far has agreements to use their super chargers with Ford and Rivian only. They are testing and getting ready to let Chevy use them next. Eventually I surmise that all EV's will be able to use Tesla chargers.

It will be an adapter world for awhile. Right now the adapters allow some brands to charge on Tesla and their are adapters that allow Tesla to charge on non Tesla chargers like EA.

I have an adapter but I have not used it yet. I have not DCFC in a year as I charge at home.

Adapters will be a way of life until the first generation of EV's fade away.

The leading adapter brands of quality are A2Z and Lectron.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:

I thought all of the American companies switched to the NACS (Tesla) charger?

Not yet.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by V-Tail:
What Level 2 charger do you have / recommend for home installation?

The installation will not be hard-wired; I will opt for a NEMA 14-50 plug-in model.



Just a question about this-- why are you against the hard wire option?


--K

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Originally posted by Kranky:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by V-Tail:
What Level 2 charger do you have / recommend for home installation?

The installation will not be hard-wired; I will opt for a NEMA 14-50 plug-in model.

Just a question about this-- why are you against the hard wire option?
--K

With hard-wired, if there's a problem with the charger, I would need an electrician to change the charger.

No electrician needed, with the NEMA 14-50 plug. Don't have to search for somebody, no need to make an appointment and wait around, hoping that s/he won't be late or even worse, no-show, no need to pay somebody to deal with a hard-wired installation when I can easily plug in a replacement charger.

Why in the world would I want a hard-wired charger? OK, might have 20% more capacity and charge faster, but I'm 87 and not in a hurry.

Just about any Level 2 charger will easily bring the vehicle from 20% to 80% over night, even when running the charger at way less than full bore wide open throttle.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by Kranky:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by V-Tail:
What Level 2 charger do you have / recommend for home installation?

The installation will not be hard-wired; I will opt for a NEMA 14-50 plug-in model.

Just a question about this-- why are you against the hard wire option?
--K

With hard-wired, if there's a problem with the charger, I would need an electrician to change the charger.

No electrician needed, with the NEMA 14-50 plug. Don't have to search for somebody, no need to make an appointment and wait around, hoping that s/he won't be late or even worse, no-show, no need to pay somebody to deal with a hard-wired installation when I can easily plug in a replacement charger.

Why in the world would I want a hard-wired charger? OK, might have 20% more capacity and charge faster, but I'm 87 and not in a hurry.

Just about any Level 2 charger will easily bring the vehicle from 20% to 80% over night, even when running the charger at way less than full bore wide open throttle.

OK -- I see your point.

A counterpoint to why a hard wire? To have one less point of failure in the system. Sure the charger can stop working, but I would be more concerned about the plug overheating.

--K

Realistically VTail won’t need to charge very often.

He has stated that he doesn’t drive a lot.

I don’t drive a lot and charge every 3-4 weeks even though I could go a couple of months without charging.

On the 14-50 outlet, be sure the electrician uses the RV park one.

Most are meant to be barely used. I paid a slightly higher amount and bought one meant to be regularly plugged an unplugged.

(I have an account at CES, and tend to by my own components, as I prefer to buy the best ones possible, since I’m already paying the electrician to install them.)

When I leased a Mazda PHEV and rented a house where it lives, I bought a Schumacher level 2 charger from Amazon, together with an adapter for the 220V outlet. The Schumacher was $230, and it has worked fine for both the PHEV and my son-in-law's Bolt.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:

On the 14-50 outlet, be sure the electrician uses the RV park one.

Most are meant to be barely used. I paid a slightly higher amount and bought one meant to be regularly plugged an unplugged.

I expect the plugging / unplugging to be very rare events. I intend to leave the charge plugged into the wall socket all the time. The only reason I want the NEMA 14-50, as opposed to hard-wired, is to cover the possibility that the charger fails and has to be replaced. The plug-in will be easy for me to deal with, and will avoid having to call (and pay for) an electrician. Other than possibly replacing the charger, I don't see the likelihood of plugging / unplugging the charger -- sort of like I don't expect plugging / unplugging stove, refrigerator, washer, dryer, etc. on a regular basis, but none of these are hard-wired, they're all connected by plugs.

My Charger is plugged in and not hardwired.

No problems.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by Aglifter:

On the 14-50 outlet, be sure the electrician uses the RV park one.

Most are meant to be barely used. I paid a slightly higher amount and bought one meant to be regularly plugged an unplugged.

I expect the plugging / unplugging to be very rare events. I intend to leave the charge plugged into the wall socket all the time. The only reason I want the NEMA 14-50, as opposed to hard-wired, is to cover the possibility that the charger fails and has to be replaced. The plug-in will be easy for me to deal with, and will avoid having to call (and pay for) an electrician. Other than possibly replacing the charger, I don't see the likelihood of plugging / unplugging the charger -- sort of like I don't expect plugging / unplugging stove, refrigerator, washer, dryer, etc. on a regular basis, but none of these are hard-wired, they're all connected by plugs.

It’s a good plan. When I had my NRG charger installed (I leased the charger originally then bought it from, and in the end cost me less than just buying it originally) they wanted it hardwired. 6 months later my rep called and said they were going to the plug. I asked why and he basically said some corporate slug deemed it so. Whatever, electrician came back out, put in the NEMA plug right next to it and /done. That was almost 10 years ago now. Not a single issue with it. But yeah if the charger goes TU, pretty simple to put another one in yourself. I’ll be doing this when I move rural as well.

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Originally posted by myrottiety:
I've only got experience with the Tesla wall charger. We had a 60a dedicated breaker switch added to our breaker. It charges around 45-50 mph for what it's worth. We had it installed maybe 3 feet from the breaker to cut down on the cost.

Guy charged us maybe $200 - $300 to install the breaker and hard wire it all in. I think it was a solid deal.

Sorry I don't have any exposure to the other brand chargers. But we've used ours for almost x3 years with no issues.

This is one of the many reasons we chose a Tesla and its charger. The country is transitioning to the NACS charging port and we wanted to use a charger that would be viable in the future. It may also be a selling point if you decide to sell in the future…