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Get my pies outta the oven! |
I know this article is almost a year old but I just happened to see it recently and had to post it for comments. The way I see it, Germany would rather be stuck with aging aircraft and NO 5th generation fighters...because Trump. They can't stand Donald Trump is what this comes down to. Dumb. Meanwhile many other countries in Europe ARE buying the F-35, like Poland and Italy and Denmark but Germany won't have anything like it until 2040. Way to go!
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Bolt Thrower |
We shouldn’t be arming future caliphates anyways. | |||
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Stupid Allergy |
Exactamundo "Attack life, it's going to kill you anyway." Steve McQueen... | |||
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Germany was never a major or even a minor partner on the F-35 JSF project; not buying into the F-35 is the least of NATO's or Europe's defense concerns. The bigger issue is their continued defunding and foot-dragging of their overall NATO commitments and maintaining of the Bundeswehr as a whole. The plane they did choose, the Eurofighter Typhoon(a very good aircraft on its own), they cut short their initial buy, as a fighter and for strike roles. Continued defending has limited that inventory to minimal flight time and no replacement parts; more planes are grounded for maintenance reasons than, are airworthy. The Navy's newest frigate, was refused as the workmanship from the shipyard was so bad, and the submarines are welded to their piers due to maintenance shortfalls. The Army is a hollow shell, having sold-off most of its Leopard 2 tanks, its artillery can't shoot due multiple range restrictions and ammunition shortages, zero maintenance and, part supplies limitations. Germany has a lot of problems with its military beyond procurement. | |||
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Germany might be more likely to be attacked from within than by another country. | |||
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Go ahead punk, make my day |
Really don't care if Germany is well armed or not. The world is likely a better place if they remain impotent whores. Besides they spent all their military DNA in WW2, that warrior seed has been culled from their proud lineage. | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
There are some that would be perfectly happy with seeing Germany not become a military powerhouse ever again... | |||
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A Grateful American |
They're still pissed at the how they came in "First Place" in the "F-104 Parts Distribution Program". "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Too old to run, too mean to quit! |
According to family and friends in Germany, the country has turned away from the US, and apparently NATO as well. Does anyone on this side of the pond actually recognize the staggering amount of US dollars we pumped into their economy and government? And I am not talking about grants, etc. from our government. I am talking about all that payroll money paid to our troops stationed there. And how so damned much of it ended up going into German banks from businesses dealing with US soldiers and their families. I said from the beginning that Merkel was a bad deal for Germany, and it has become very clear. Anyone else remember how she opened the doors for all those "refugees" that flooded the country? In at least one example, a German family had a house they wanted to rent so they advertised it. Stating the amount of rent they expected. Gubbermint got involved and told the family that they had to rent it to "refugees" and for half what the owners could get from a German family. And that is only one case. Anyone else remember those 1000s of "refugees" lined up for entry? You know, the ones dressed in the latest jeans, shirts, smart phones? It is no wonder that Germany has taken such a hit on the international scene. Their chief executive officer has no clue what the hell she is doing, and much of what she is doing, seems to me, is aimed at damaging the country. I still remember that she came from the EAST ZONE. Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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Too old to run, too mean to quit! |
I spent a total of 11 years in Germany. Nine of those years in a US Army uniform stationed along the E/W border. Do I regret it? After all of Merkel's BS I find it hard not to say that I regret it. Edited to add: We had more than a few of our military who died in uniform while in Germany. Training accidents like arty shells dropping into bivouac areas, M48 tanks catching fire and they were loaded with full combat loads of ammo and gasoline. I was in communications and we had 24/7 commo when troops were in the field so I got to hear a lot of what was going on. I told my wife that Merkel was the wrong person, wrong time, wrong place and wrong job. Wife was not so sure back then. She is now. In my view, merkel has visions of grandeur for herself. Like "Her majesty of Europe"! Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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No doubt...however, they come from two very different camps. One side sees Germany as a latent power, easily able to rise up to its former Prussian and early 20th century prowess. The other, a very leftist point of view, eschewing all things capitalistic and martial. Somewhere in the middle, is the former FRG/BRD. | |||
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As long as they have an aircraft that moves quickly in reverse, they will be just fine. | |||
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I agree with this. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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posting without pants |
You would think that after going 0 and 2 they would appreciate US weapon tech.... Strive to live your life so when you wake up in the morning and your feet hit the floor, the devil says "Oh crap, he's up." | |||
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Do the next right thing |
I'm perfectly OK with Germany not building a powerful military. | |||
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Hop head |
France has been proud of their planes for a good while, reckon they are looking for a partner (for sales and expenses etc) in Germany https://chandlersfirearms.com/chesterfield-armament/ | |||
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delicately calloused |
Fokkers... You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Way to punch, Merkel! | |||
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I've been perfectly happy with German Women and German Beer. ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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I don't think this has really anything to do with Trump. For quite some time, probably the since the 60's and 70's, some European countries (especially France) have taken a view to "buy European" when they can do so. I can't think of any US military aircraft the French have except for a handful of tankers and AWACS. They have built their Mirages and Rafales instead. It's pretty much the same for Germany. They built their Tornados and Eurofighters instead. Instead of buying a mix of C-17s and C-130s, they opted to spend endless billions and decades to develop the troubled A400M. All of that happened decades before Trump. So the fact that Germany isn't buying F-35s and wants to develop a new plane instead is of no surprise to me. I agree with the headline . The headline is true but has little to nothing to do with Trump Derangement Syndrome, it's about jobs and developing in-house technology. Don't get me wrong, I don't think their ruling elite like Trump at all, but that has nothing to do with them passing on the F-35. They have a long history of passing on buying US weapon systems. ---------------------------------- "These things you say we will have, we already have." "That's true. I ain't promising you nothing extra." | |||
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