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Ah, OK yeah I've been to those type places. The article mentioned them:
I ain't paying for a $22 pan roasted salmon and $11 cocktail and serving myself. Of course, there is very little danger of me dining anywhere in San Francisco! “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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They seem to be doing ok...3 locations and about to open a fourth. A small selection of reasonably priced things on the menu.. https://www.souvla.com/locations/ | |||
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That was the point of the article. This restaurant did away with their servers so they could stay in business and other restaurants there are now copying their model because they can't afford to pay servers and stay in business. Taking a concept that has been used at fast food/fast casual restaurants and trying it in the fine dining space. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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sympatico post here....my own last visit was circa 1983....used to be my favorite go-to spot. **************~~~~~~~~~~ "I've been on this rock too long to bother with these liars any more." ~SIGforum advisor~ "When the pain of staying the same outweighs the pain of change, then change will come."~~sigmonkey | |||
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Serious question. Do servers getting $15/hour also expect a 20% tip? _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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But this place mentioned in the article is not fine dining, at least not my definition of it. This is not Gary Danko, House of Prime Rib, Nopa, or other SF restaurants. Hell, it is not even a Thai or Japanese restaurant. It is a slightly upscale version of Chipotle, same type of casual seating based on photos, and a small menu of Greek sandwiches, salads and fries. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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So where do all the McDonalds's employees live in SF? _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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If the food quality and quantity matches the cost, I don’t see the problem, personally. If I preferred a fine dining experience with waiters/waitresses, someone to seat me, check on my needs throughout the meal, etc, I’ll find a restaurant that provides those services. All this does is knock off the extra cost of a tip. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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I guess your definition of fine dining is different than mine... | |||
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I hope not, otherwise they're out of their cotton-pickin' minds!!
I'd agree with Ramius that this is faaaaaaar from "fine dining". I'd categorize it not too far from Subway, based on their setup. But like others have said, if I'm going to pay $20+ for an entree and $10+ for an adult beverage, there had better be people tending to my dining needs AT THE TABLE. So what am I going to do? Grab my plate from under the heat lamps saying "Hot plate, hot plate" all the way back to my table? Don't think so... In the end, it's a moot point anyway, as I don't ever see myself visiting SFO before it slides into the ocean. "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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FWIW, slight thread drift, those of you in Oklahoma and Texas may remember a short lived restaurant chain named U R Cooks. The theme was you could, if you wished, select a beautiful steak from the display case and cook it yourself on one of their grills, or you could have the staff cook it for you. I lived near the OKC one and it was just a fun and different way of dining out. I recall there were units in San Antonio, Houston and Austin. Other wise it was just sort of a normal average end Steak house. I don't think they lasted very long, but that's the restaurant business. | |||
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Not at all - read my post above at top of this page. No way I'd ever go to a place for fine dining and serve myself. The article names several restaurants who consider themselves to be fine dining establishments copying this model because they can't charge what they would need to charge to keep waiters and waitresses on staff - paying $15 per hour along with health benefits and paid sick/vacation days.
That was actually the point I was making. No way would I ever consider any restaurant doing this 'fine dining'. That's their definition, not mine. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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Seems they're just 86'ing the middle class? ____________________________________________________ The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart. | |||
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We should thank God for California. All the crazy ideas get implemented there first, and we can learn from their failures. | |||
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Taxes alone eat more than 50% of my budget. I'd say she's doing well. But if it's a problem, then maybe she should reconsider her support for high taxes and government mandates. Nah. That would make sense. God Bless and Protect the Once and Future President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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Liberals will neve connect the flash with the bang, they will never admit that they are the cause of their own demise. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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I am certain they they 'get it', but to admit they do and then make sound business decisions to be profitable and successful, would be an outright admission and acknowledgement that their ideas for a just and socially utopian society are wrong, ass-backwards and suck. __________ __________ "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy." | |||
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... except they move and bring their crazy ideas with them and try to force them on the rest of us. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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I would say probably yes. Another question. If there might be an increasing number of unemployed "servers", do they move away, or find other jobs, or do they end up living off the taxpayer, because it is their "right"? I would be inclined to door number 3. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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Not to this neck of the woods. Coastal Mississippi is a very laid back place. It is a pretty well kept secret. | |||
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