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Interesting plane. That looks like they created the the characteristics of an Osprey but did it with jet engines instead of the tilt wings. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Looks like JATO rockets. https://www.wearethemighty.com...-rockets-jet-takeoff "Cedat Fortuna Peritis" | |||
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JATO used to be part of the Fat Albert component of the Blue Angels show...I got to see it a couple of times before they discontinued using them, and it was awesome. The story I've heard is that they stopped making the rockets, and once they burned through the stock they had on hand, that was it. Iirc it was sometime around the mid-2000s...I believe the last show I attended where they used them was at Pensacola Beach in 2005 but I'm not 100% sure on that. | |||
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An interesting part of history I had never heard of. | |||
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Your video doesn't show the wing breaking off: https://youtu.be/fSFjhWw4DNo?t=85 "I'm yet another resource-consuming kid in an overpopulated planet raised to an alarming extent by Hollywood and Madison Avenue, poised with my cynical and alienated peers to take over the world when you're old and weak!" - Calvin, "Calvin & Hobbes" | |||
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I remember this. I believe on a test flight, the flight engineer, possibly blinded by the firing of the upper deceleration rockets, hit the lowers too early while landing. The bird was supposed to touch down first. The rocket motors were just to augment the landing gear, not turn the C-130 into a helicopter. That pretty much ended the operation. Too bad; beautiful example of retro-engineering.This message has been edited. Last edited by: kkina, | |||
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If I remember correctly some of this was covered on the Smithsonian Channel. They had an interesting half hour program on the development of the Osprey and all its problems. | |||
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I've seen one at an air show once and some other video. Cool... The geek in me wishes they were more common, practicality aside. Iron Man, on a plane. | |||
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You should take in a Blue Angels airshow. Fat Albert (modified C130) puts on a great demonstration. | |||
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I feel I should comment on this.  This was before my time, but I do have some hours on one of the former test planes. Under the proper conditions with an experienced crew you can land or takeoff a C-130H within 1500 feet. It takes skill and your safety margins are nonexistent, but it can be done. I believe (could be wrong) that the rockets shaved about 500 feet off that distance. The thing is, once you punch that button you are committed. There is no go-around or aborted takeoff. At the end of the day the Air Force decided that it was just too risky to keep in the toolbox. When I retired in 2012 the min runway length for a maximum effort qualified crew (in peacetime) was 3000 feet or ground roll plus 500 feet, whichever was greater. "I, however, place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared." Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Well, the stadium in Iran was only 500 feet. That would have been a super short take off and landing. Reason why they abandoned JATO bottles in favor of rocket engines. | |||
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When in USAF, I loved the sound of the C-130 engines. Its the sound of freedom! End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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Those engines are made in Indianapolis by a workforce of UAW employees. | |||
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"JATO" bottles are actually RATO bottles...rocket assisted takeoff, because they're rockets. They're not jets, and JATO is jet assisted takeoff. The P2V Neptune was a jet assisted takeoff; two J-34 avgas-burning jets outboard of two R3350 radial engines. That's JATO. The C-130 came equippped with rocket bottle attach points (often incorrectly referred to as JATO points, even in the technical orders for the aircraft) on the deflectors forward of the troop doors. They're supposed to eject the rocket as soon as it's spent. The problem with rockets on each side of the aircraft is asymmetric thrust; anyone who has flown a multi-engine aircraft understands the complications of excess thrust on one side of the aircraft; it causes a significant yawing and rolling moment. At low speeds, this exceeds the control capability of the aircraft, and a minimum speed is established to ensure control: never get below it in flight. RATO has the capability of getting the aircraft airborne quickly, and well below the minimum control airspeed; aside from the issue of an engine-out, asymmetric rocket thrust can quickly exceed the control capability of the aircraft. Bottom line, if it's asymmetric during the launch, there's nothing the crew can do about it. It's a roll of the dice. There's also the problem of the potential for the rocket to detach and go forward, which will be into engines 2 and 3. Big fans up there, which once not being driven by the engine, become huge drag making devices; this can occur with a propeller that doesn't feather, or one that runs too fast, and that can very quickly exceed the control authority of the aircraft, too. | |||
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I attached JATO canisters to A-4Ms when I was in the USMC, and of course, I've seen them referred to as RATO also. Back then even though they were 'JATO' to us it meant that the canisters were assisting the aircraft's jet engine for the takeoff. So 'JATO" referred to what the device did while 'RATO' referred to what the device was physically. Retired Texas Lawman | |||
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It probably didn't mean much to anyone that hadn't actually used JATO; the difference was lost as jet assisted vanished. I believe the P2V was the last, though we continued to operate the C-119 and P2V with the J34 jet assist well after they were phased out of service. Now, I imagine most see it as semantics...but there's a big difference (especially when the jet assist triples fuel consumption, as it did in the P2V). | |||
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Very, very cool experience there. Fascinating story, too. | |||
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Equally fascinating. | |||
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Hmm. I thought a series (8?) of helicopters was suppose to pick them up and fly them to an air field for the trip out. But there was a CF on the ground when they were refueling and two or more copters crashed and killed several service men. In addition, 2 helicopters developed engine problems and had to turn back earlier before landing for refuel. This caused the mission to be aborted. Does any body remember this? Never be more than one step away from your sword-Old Greek Wisdom | |||
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