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May 28, 2017, 05:00 AM
kkina
Fencing Question
No, not this kind...


This kind...


Anyway, in the movie The Empire Strikes Back, Darth Vader performs a kind of circular entrapment move. You can see it just before he cuts Luke's hand off, at about 0:03...



Does this technique have a name?



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May 28, 2017, 07:41 AM
Doc H.
Contre-quarte or contre-sixte for a defensive parry, and envelopment (prise de fer) or derobement on attack; there are other lines of defense or attack, but quarte or sixte would be most common, although it pays to learn them all well, depending on whether you carry a sword. You did ask....



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May 28, 2017, 08:35 AM
kkina
"Envelopment" sounds about right. I'll go with that. Thank you.



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May 28, 2017, 11:03 AM
Fredward
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May 28, 2017, 11:38 AM
Palm
quote:
Originally posted by Fredward:
My name is Inago Montoya...


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May 28, 2017, 12:20 PM
zoom6zoom
"it's unknown what happened to Luke's severed hand afterwards."

It became a member of the Addams Family household.




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May 28, 2017, 01:50 PM
KMitch200
quote:
derobement on attack

What is: things I'd like to do to Catherine Zeta-Jones.


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May 28, 2017, 04:01 PM
Doc H.
quote:
Originally posted by kkina:
"Envelopment" sounds about right. I'll go with that. Thank you.


The advantage of pris de fer is that you can feel your opponent's blade, and thereby his - or her - intent, before your eye sees it. The disadvantage is that he can feel yours. Il y a toujours un risque impliqué, Luke.....



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May 28, 2017, 05:26 PM
Sir Guy
Fun fact: for the vast majority of the dueling scenes in The Empire Strikes Back, the guy in the Vader suit was actually Bob Anderson, an Olympic fencing champion.

He was also the fencing choreographer for all three original films.
May 29, 2017, 01:21 AM
kkina
quote:
Originally posted by Sir Guy:
Fun fact: for the vast majority of the dueling scenes in The Empire Strikes Back, the guy in the Vader suit was actually Bob Anderson, an Olympic fencing champion.

He was also the fencing choreographer for all three original films.

That makes sense, as I tend to see a mix of European fencing mixed in with Japanese Kendo.



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May 29, 2017, 11:51 AM
sigspecops
The duel between Obi Wan and Vader looked like it was coordinated by someone at a nursing home. The move Anakin uses to disarm and cut off Count Dooku's hands is pretty cool looking.


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May 29, 2017, 02:52 PM
Sig2340



Link to original video: https://youtu.be/7YyBtMxZgQs





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June 12, 2017, 09:31 AM
kkina
quote:
Originally posted by sigspecops:
The duel between Obi Wan and Vader looked like it was coordinated by someone at a nursing home. The move Anakin uses to disarm and cut off Count Dooku's hands is pretty cool looking.

Exactly! That move could not have come from Japanese swordfighting, as Japanese katana have but a single edge. This technique must be done with a double-edge weapon (or infinite edge in the case of lightsabers).



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June 12, 2017, 01:28 PM
TigerDore
quote:
Originally posted by KMitch200:
quote:
derobement on attack

What is: things I'd like to do to Catherine Zeta-Jones.

I hear her grandfather is very protective.


June 12, 2017, 02:21 PM
thunderson
quote:
Originally posted by sigspecops:
The duel between Obi Wan and Vader looked like it was coordinated by someone at a nursing home. The move Anakin uses to disarm and cut off Count Dooku's hands is pretty cool looking.


Lucas once said that the disparity was intentional. By A New Hope, the majority of the Jedi were gone, and those that were left were old and in some cases more machine than man. Much more artful in the earlier episodes where they were young and the Jedi were at their height of power.

But that of course could just be Lucas covering for Lucas.



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