DNA Testing

December 26, 2018, 02:17 PM

AKSuperDually

DNA Testing

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
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Well, since you asked... I'd return it, and I wouldn't be polite about it. This was a flagrant passive-aggressive attempt at manipulation, and it doesn't bode well for any relationship.

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Yep. Good advice. Red flag.

Definitely agree.

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December 26, 2018, 03:36 PM

RNshooter

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Originally posted by jcsabolt2:
Have some fun with it...get a bunch of saliva from your dog and send it in. Let's just see how accurate they really are.

Beat me by *this* much

Bruce

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December 26, 2018, 09:57 PM

Revolution37

I didn’t read the whole thread so maybe this was addressed, but these ancestry/genealogy websites are not “cooperating with the authorities. The open-source websites that law enforcement have used to solve cold case homicides work because the law enforcement agency created an accountC submitted the DNA sample as their own, and then the website built them a family tree, like it would for anyone else. The agency then tracks known relatives on the tree to the area and time of the murders.

There was one in WA where they submitted DNA, found an aunt in the family tree that had an account, traced her family down to two brothers that lived in the town where this murder happened, and then followed them around to collect known DNA samples for comparison. It really has nothing to do with the DNA company being a snitch.

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December 27, 2018, 12:54 PM

Rey HRH

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

As far as the government, I was in the armed forces, so I already know that they have it.

Say what??? I think it depends on when you served. I doubt the government has my dna from when I served and got discharged in 1982.

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December 27, 2018, 01:07 PM

Balzé Halzé

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

As far as the government, I was in the armed forces, so I already know that they have it.

Say what??? I think it depends on when you served. I doubt the government has my dna from when I served and got discharged in 1982.

I'd say you're probably right about that.

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December 27, 2018, 01:48 PM

SIGnified

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I'm not handing my DNA voluntarily over to a private organization. Just ain't doing it.

Point in case; just what do people think these business models are based upon? The testing fee? Ha!

No. Selling data eventually (just like Google and Facebook ...) to interested parties e.g. insurance companies.

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December 27, 2018, 07:53 PM

wrightd

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Originally posted by RNshooter:
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Originally posted by jcsabolt2:
Have some fun with it...get a bunch of saliva from your dog and send it in. Let's just see how accurate they really are.

Beat me by *this* much

Bruce

But the dog may have been involved in a murder

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December 27, 2018, 08:21 PM

gjgalligan

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Originally posted by ggile:

I had both the Ancestry and the 23andMe tests and found them very useful. They turned my genelogical, of what I thought I knew, background inside out. The Health input from 23andMe has been useful with updates on genetically predisposed conditions.

What makes you so sure you were wrong and they are right?

We had DNA testing on our dog (shelter rescue as a puppy)to determine the breed. Everybody that knows are dog laughed at the outcome. This includes 2 vets, a couple pro trainers (that show dogs) amd pro groomers.

I don't trust DNA testing at all.

Integrity is doing the right thing, even when nobody is looking.

December 27, 2018, 08:27 PM

vthoky

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Originally posted by senza nome:
Ain't you got a dog or a cat?

Well... as it goes... I got a packet in the mail a week or so -- from a company called "Embark" no less -- offering me DNA testing for my dog.

"Give your dog the gift of identity with an Embark dog DNA Test." No kidding.

I could perhaps see doing that in a case like gjgalligan's, above, but the rude part of me thinks, "Identity? Heck, if she knows her name and comes when called, I think that just about covers identity."

December 27, 2018, 09:54 PM

Icabod

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

As far as the government, I was in the armed forces, so I already know that they have it.

Say what??? I think it depends on when you served. I doubt the government has my dna from when I served and got discharged in 1982.

Mine was collected in the 1990s. It was solely to be used to identify remains. At least that was what was promised and written.

A few years later, the law changed and now
police can look at it. I have no doubt all these DNA operations will eventually be open to police. Next would be collecting for various reason and then from everybody.

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December 27, 2018, 11:21 PM

46and2

By next Christmas you'll be able to stick your finger in your Amazon Echo, and it will take your DNA sample via a small pin prick, then it'll utilize distributed computing on par with SETI at home to analyze your DNA, then upload it to your iCloud, while also connecting with your Health Care provider to adjust your rates for having too much cholesterol, before it will agree to unlock your car for you once your vehicle insurance rates are raised because people with high cholesterol are thought to have slow reaction times, or something.

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December 28, 2018, 05:35 AM

r0gue

Here's an interesting thought. As DNA databases are populated by the willing, the gaps (those not in it) will become less and less important. The picture will paint itself. And with AI and analytics, it will be amazing and scary what they will be able to do with this information.

I am personally opposed to my DNA being added to this repository and I will advise my family to do the same. And I'm the guy with four Amazon Echos in my house, so that oughta tell you something!

December 28, 2018, 07:51 AM

Dallas239

As far as the british company deleting your data on request, GDPR requires them to do that (for now). But they can keep anonymized data. So if your concern is someone being able to trace it back to you, that shouldn't be an issue if they are complying with the law. But they will certainly use the anonymized data for demographics and research.

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