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Gun Owners of America (GOA) is organizing a campaign to get the Senate (Senator McConnell) to attach National Concealed Carry Reciprocity to the Prison Sentencing Reform Bill, which has bipartisan support and is considered a must pass bill. The Democrats certainly want this bill to pass, and will likely do so, even with National Reciprocity attached. The Senate is scheduled to adjourn on December 14, 2018. If National Reciprocity is not passed by then, it will have to be reintroduced in the next Congress from scratch. This may be our last chance to pass National Reciprocity, in the near future. I’ve included a link to GOA’s email tool, so it shouldn’t take more than a couple minutes to contact your Senators. If you don’t want to use GOA’s email tool, I’ve included a link to the Senate's Contact Lookup Tool, and contact info for Senator McConnell below, as well as a boilerplate message (GOA’s message reworded) at the end of this message. I know to some of you, this will either seem like a waste of time, or too much effort. However, I think this has a good chance of passing, by being attached to the Sentencing Reform Bill. In fact, I think this is the only way this was ever going to pass, is by being attached to a bill the Democrats want. I've (and GOA) tried to make this as quick and simple as possible to do this. So please take the small amount of time it will take to contact your Senators. Please comment, once you've contacted your Senators, it might encourage others to follow suit. Thanks and Regards, Storm GOA Alert: https://www.gunowners.org/alert112818.htm Link To GOA Email Form: https://cqrcengage.com/gunowne...&engagementId=492978 Contact Links: Senate Contact Lookup Tool: https://www.senate.gov/general...derBy=state&Sort=ASC McConnell: Email: http://www.mcconnell.senate.go.../index.cfm?p=contact Ph: (202) 224-2541 Mail: 317 Russell Senate Office Building Washington DC 20510 MESSAGE: =============== SUBJECT: Pass National Concealed Carry Reciprocity, Restore Rights To Gun Owners TEXT: Senator <Name>, Please pass concealed carry reciprocity now. The as-introduced version of H.R. 38 is currently the best reciprocity bill in the Congress. So I would urge you strongly to make sure this language is passed now! I know that the Senate wants to put a prison sentencing reform bill on the President's desk. So here's an idea: Put concealed carry reciprocity into the sentencing reform legislation! Also, if you're going to make it easier for hundreds of thousands of former voters to get their voting rights restored (or at least have the option of petitioning a court for the restoration of their rights), then gun owners should get their Second Amendment-protected rights restored, as well. Please pass concealed carry reciprocity -- and allow non-violent gun owners to get their gun rights restored. Signed, <Your Name> ETA: Summaries and Links to H.R. 38 and S. 446 H.R. 38: https://www.congress.gov/bill/...ngress/house-bill/38
S. 446: https://www.congress.gov/bill/...ress/senate-bill/446 This message has been edited. Last edited by: Storm, Loyalty Above All Else, Except Honor ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | ||
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| Conservative in Nor Cal constantly swimming up stream  |
Great Idea! I'll send this off to Diane Feinstein and kamala Harris right now  Sorry I couldn't resist being snarky.  ----------------------------------- Get your guns b4 the Dems take them away Sig P-229 Sig P-220 Combat | |||
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The Unmanned Writer |
Mine is right behind yours.  Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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You know, I get that. Even when Colorado was more of a Red State, I've always been stuck in a Blue area/county. So I've always felt like for most elections etc., my vote/voice/opinion didn't count. However, I decided I'm not going to be silenced, they will at least hear my opinion. I do contact my Democrat Congressman and Senator and voice my opinion. If you don't say anything, then they've already won by silencing you. Loyalty Above All Else, Except Honor ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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| Conservative in Nor Cal constantly swimming up stream |
I get it Storm and agree about not being silenced. I'm just a frustrated Californian. I had a heated discussion with my Congress critter Eric Swalwell last summer at my local grocery store. He didn't like it when I told him he sounds like a male Maxine Watters  ----------------------------------- Get your guns b4 the Dems take them away Sig P-229 Sig P-220 Combat | |||
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LMAO! Nice Burn!  Loyalty Above All Else, Except Honor ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Told cops where to go for over 29 years… |
I’ll be in Shoreline later, maybe I’ll just swing by Patty Murrays house and chat in person... What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???  | |||
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Even if you don't contact Feinstein or Harris, contact McConnell. It's about getting this amended to the Prison Reform Bill. Once that's done, this likely will sail through. The Dems want that bill to pass. This is like the National Parks Bearing Arms Amendment that was attached to the "Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act of 2009", that allowed the carrying of firearms in the National Parks System, that was passed by the Dems and signed by Obama. Loyalty Above All Else, Except Honor ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Among other things, this bill encourages the states to use "free federal money" to create more bureaucracy in the form of domestic violence stuff. This is one more way to handcuff the state to the federal teat. And later, if the federal money goes away you know there will be all kinds of problems if the states try to cancel the programs. I am also not convinced (but am open to being reassured) that this won't lead to much more restrictive states dictating terms to less restrictive states about the qualifications for the issuance of a permit. Then, of course, there is the whole codifying law giving us "permission" to carry. I don't like it at the state level but can kind of justify it as a states right issue but I don't think the fed should even have to touch this. I want less federal stuff, not more... | |||
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Keep the feds out of states rights and out of CCW if we don't who knows what restrictions will be placed on CCW for it to pass, ie they'll vote for it if it includes universal background checks for all sales, prohibit private sales in specific geographic areas (already happening in FL), require universal background check on private sales, restrict gifting of guns to family members, national waiting periods, national registration fees, national ammo cards NFOID, required social media reviews, yeah we want the commie senators and representatives from the restrictive states to have a say in CCW permits, NOT! No thank you... My State is fine, and I can travel to most every state with a firearm if desired. Work on your own state legislators, states rights not federal oversight... | |||
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Pardon my ignorance, but isn't a National Reciprocity related to a Second Amendment issue, thereby, clearly, already and only a federal issue? ========================================== Just my 2¢ ____________________________ Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right ♫♫♫ | |||
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We (gunowners) are our own worst enemies. Both bills (HR 38 and S 446) are already written (see links and text above in the OP). They would be attached amended as is, to the Prison Reform bill. We have a chance to move the ball forward for once, instead of standing pat and hoping we don't get pushed back. National Reciprocity would be a huge victory for gun owners and a massive demoralizing defeat for progressives. This is Goldilocks Bullshit. By rights (2A rights), we should be able to carry a firearm anyplace in this country, whether that be Texas, Colorado, New York, or California. If it takes a Federal law to enable that right to be exercised, even if it doesn't conform to some libertarian/originalist interpretation of the Constitution, so be it. Don't let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good. Loyalty Above All Else, Except Honor ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Storm, thanks for all the info and thanks for sharing your OPINION of what would happen if it were passed. I read the amended bills (again) before I posted and before you added them in to your original post. My thoughts were not posted from a position of ignorance. I've had real concerns since this started gaining momentum a couple of years ago. If signed in to law I think there is a 70/30 chance we would not like where it ends up. Once something is written down, it then becomes subject to interpretation by the local city, county, state, and federal politicians, law enforcement, and courts. Surely you must admit that somewhere along the line I might run in to someone who interprets the law differently than I do. Say I'm in California tooling along the PCH in a rented car and I drive through some backwater town 1 mph over the speed limit and get popped. Now, I've been very responsible and made sure I had the legally correct capacity magazines and that everything is carried in the proscribed manner to comply with local laws as written. The bills as written provide law enforcement the right to make sure that I'm in compliance with the law. So, for everyone's safety he hooks me up while he verifies I'm legal. After a bit, he comes back to me and compliments me on the correct magazine capacity etc... Then, he says "that's a nice blaster you have there, is it a gen 12 siglock? Why yes, I reply proudly. The nice officer then asks: Are you aware that as of 12/31 siglock decided not to get the gen 12 certified for the approved pistol registry? The gen 11 is fine but the gen 12 is not. I'm going to have to confiscate your pistol and we're headed to the pokey. Now life is really grand. Eventually I make bail but all my stuff is locked away pending final resolution of my case. I don't have the time or money to fight the state, especially if I have to appeal all the way to the supreme court. Fast forward a year and I've just lost mt appeal at the 9th circus. I get mad and make some ill advised comments. Those domestic violence and mental health departments created as part of the new bill? One of them hears my comments and decides that for the interim my guns need to be removed from my possession until everything is resolved. Now I'm broke, my guns are gone, and even if they left me something I can't carry it because my permit has been revoked until resolution of the issue. Unlikely you say? Probable I respond... No desire to be the test case. | |||
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Storm, I know you're a big proponent of these bills, but I am not. I'm not because I believe they create more problems for gun owners than they solve. Even if these bills got through and were signed into law, states and even counties and municipalities in some states without preemption could regulate CC to death making it so convoluted and complex that we couldn't hope to comply with all the regulations. I travel to states intermittently that have reciprocity with Florida, and those states, even though somewhat pro gun and concealed carry, are difficult enough to comply with. Multiply that by who knows what and it becomes untenable to put it mildly. I'm with you 100% about what the second amendment means, and that we 'should' be able to carry a firearm unfettered anywhere in the US. But until the states as a whole accept the 2A for what it says and means, no federal legislation is going to restore our 2A rights. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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| I kneel for my God, and I stand for my flag |
No thanks, the feds are already more involved in my life than I care for. | |||
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Irksome Whirling Dervish |
I like the idea of federal reciprocity however there's no federal interest at stake which usurps local or state authority on this. We've talked about it before and arguing your 2A rights as a general principle don't have the higher ground over local and state CCW laws. Even if this passes into law, a challenge in court has a very high likelihood of enjoining the new law and ultimately will strike it down as unconstitutional. | |||
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Form sent via link. To Maria Cantwell & Patty Murray. We’ll see where this goes.  | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Well, right now my carry situation in Utah is just about as "perfect" as I could wish it to be... If this bill as any chance of affecting how I carry in my own state by action from the feds, I'm without hesitation against it. Can you promise me that it won't? ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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