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The proper application of lethal force

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November 02, 2025, 07:47 PM
parabellum
The proper application of lethal force
This certainly is not it. He destroyed his life over a worthless petty thief.

https://x.com/unlimited_ls/status/1985062340752973954


November 02, 2025, 07:53 PM
Beancooker
He shot a guy over Halloween costumes. The guy seemed to resist, but seemed to just want to get away.

I don’t condone anyone stealing, but taking a life over less than a hundred bucks worth of Halloween costumes seems a tad bit extreme.

Sounds like he is sobbing at the end, and he is regretting his decisions.

Years ago I had wheels stolen off my car, in my driveway. If you had asked me the day before, what would I do, I would have said I would sneak out the side door and put down the people stealing the wheels.

The day after they were stolen, when the police found an asp in the front yard and said “looks like they were ready for you”… I had a different perspective.

Would have I shot them and not gone to prison? Most likely I would have been free. Would I have to live with the fact I took a human life over $2k in wheels that were more than covered by insurance with $0 deductible.

I sleep well every night. Probably wouldn’t if I waxed someone over some fucking wheels.



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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
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November 02, 2025, 08:19 PM
nhracecraft
They have 'armed' security at Spirit Halloween?


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November 02, 2025, 08:31 PM
Some Shot
Don't fight a security guard.
November 02, 2025, 08:35 PM
jljones
quote:
Originally posted by Beancooker:
Probably wouldn’t if I waxed someone over some fucking wheels.


If they came at you with an ASP, it wouldn’t have been “shooting them over wheels”.


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November 02, 2025, 08:48 PM
lyman
having spent 35 yrs in the grocery biz, and seen shoplifting go from random shit to orgainized retail crime,

and being one that has chased, caught and prosecuted many many shoplifters,


I Can say, that time has passed,
when I left retail grocery in 2015 the company was already telling us management to not bother,

I was lucky, despite having to manhandle a few, I was never hurt,

had a comanager who was aggressive, she and a few other employees, with a shoplifter and cut in another store, before she work for me,


fortunately the scars healed well,



now, my thoughts have not changed, since I probably could have been prosecuted for assault for grabbing some of them,

however I can say, since in VA, 3rd charge becomes a felony, I put a few folks in prison for the 3rd try at shoplifting,
did it make a difference, kinda,,,, but not really


fast forward a few years, ,,,


a few years ago, a bozo tried to steal a magazine from a vendor during closing time at a gunshow I was set up at,

the patrons and table folks beat the shit out of the guy, took the police a good 5 minutes to get there, and found the guy all bloody,

he was arrested, and prosecuted,

no one else was

justice served,,, maybe



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November 02, 2025, 09:02 PM
Stlhead
For the wages of sin is death.
November 02, 2025, 09:05 PM
parabellum
I do believe you've missed the point entirely.
November 03, 2025, 03:24 AM
Rey HRH
The security guard certainly wasted his own life. I would think to be an armed security guard, you had to undergo training on the use of lethal force. It was just a job; it wasn’t even his own property being stolen.



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November 03, 2025, 05:27 AM
Captain Morgan
Well, thankfully he will be judged by a jury. Hopefully they will see the guard was right.



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November 03, 2025, 06:50 AM
parabellum
How was he "right"? He's not even in the same universe as "right". He murdered that guy. Oh, he was a thief, so that makes it OK, huh?
November 03, 2025, 07:34 AM
Powers77
There seemed to be zero critical thinking skills being exercised by anyone in that video.
1. Thief stealing Halloween costume.
2. Security escalating to a shooting over a Halloween costume.
3. Fellow patrons milling around like cattle while the security guard waves around his various levels of "controls".
Just a whole lot of stupid.
November 03, 2025, 07:47 AM
smlsig
I’m surprised that he actually had a weapon. I could see using a taser which would have probably immobilized him but a firearm? No..


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November 03, 2025, 08:48 AM
220-9er
Can a regular citizen (security guard) commit a felony to stop a misdemeanor?
I suspect not.


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November 03, 2025, 08:52 AM
bendable
Americas " system " is inadequate for society as we know it today.

Criminals embrace today's "system" as they feel it favors them

Today's "system" is not a deterant.
The great minds that America has to offer need to develop a new system.

Instead of three weeks in county , perhaps forfeiting a kidney, a lung or a retna
Would be a deterant.
Other good people could benefit greatly from donated organs.
As it stands

If thirty people a month are willing to go to prison

To stop thieves ,rapists and pedophiles I guess it shall be.





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November 03, 2025, 08:56 AM
BigSwede
What a dingus


November 03, 2025, 09:03 AM
P220 Smudge
quote:
Instead of three weeks in county , perhaps forfeiting a kidney, a lung or a retna


Or, we could just shoot them in the parking lot instead. Roll Eyes


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November 03, 2025, 09:33 AM
bigwagon
Putting yourself in a situation like that to protect somebody else's stuff is really stupid.
November 03, 2025, 09:36 AM
ryan81986
quote:
Originally posted by Rey HRH: I would think to be an armed security guard, you had to undergo training on the use of lethal force.



As someone who has worked armed security, I can assure you this is not necessarily the case.




November 03, 2025, 10:00 AM
darthfuster
I determined years ago that I would only take a life that threatened other lives. Theft is not that.



You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier