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Originally posted by 220-9er:

The chances are also good that the Democrats will end up with a different and stronger candidate, regardless of the Republican candidate.

Utterly ridiculous. Who exactly do you have in mind? Because at this point the Democrats got Jack and Shit, and Jack just left town.

All I know is that a 2nd Trump Presidency would be one for the history books. It would be amazing. "No More Mr. Nice Guy" will no longer be remembered as an Alice Cooper song.

I believe the Republican nominee will be either Trump or DeSantis, and I will gladly vote for either one of them. I really think that Trump would make the best President because of his prior performance there, but DeSantis is also a very strong person.

The Never-Trumpers are a problem, of course, and there do seem to be a great number of them. Maybe we should put Trump in as VP and a milquetoast Republican as Pres, then impeach the President for failing to serve? (I kid, but it may take drastic measures to get wheat we all want.)

flashguy

Para, you have expressed my sentiments precisely. I agree with every word.
It is not just, it is not fair, it is reality.

I will add only this:
I just finished reading Scott Atlas’ book about his time advising Trump on COVID.
Atlas was incredibly impressed with DeSsntis’ detailed knowledge of the scientific literature pertinent to COVID, and used Atlas as a sounding board to check his conclusions. DeSantis then put into effect what Atlas (and others like me who supported the Great Barrington Declaration) were asking for: ending lockdowns and focusing on protecting the vulnerable.
The more I know of DeSantis, the more impressed I am to put together string teams to develop and implement cutting-edge, honest conservative programs.

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Originally posted by oddball:
Trump has endured over six years of attacks, investigations, insults, committees, lies, etc. and is still standing. And the hits keep coming. Why? Because his opponents know he can win in 2024, and they are doing everything under the sun to prevent this.

He has six years of experience dealing with this. More shit than any public figure in U.S. history. He knows the drill well. He knows first hand the corrupt election process in America now, as well as his people. And anybody who thinks DeSantis will not experience this same thing is naive, and he has never faced this onslaught as Governor.

Trump is the best candidate for 2024 and I will 100% support the best candidate to pull us out of 4 years of Biden/Obama. He's done it before, he can do it again.

Man, I was typing essentially the same thing, but for some reasons, I closed it. And then, I saw what you wrote, I'm so glad. I would also add that, anyone else would have folded like a cheap suit.

Also, I totally agree with what Pale Horse said right below your post:

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I would like Trump to be president again in 2024. I like him. But his attacks on DeSantis in the weeks and days prior to the midterms were ignorant and extremely poorly timed.

But, not just this instance, but with all the other times that he shot his mouth absolutely unnecessarily. He doesn't need to battle with every little peon that he doesn't agree with. Leave that to us and just run the country.

And, that brings us to the third and extremely important thing. He needs to vet his people thoroughly this time around. No doubt he underestimated how deep and wide the swamp was and thought he could just come in, sweep the surface and everything would come out clean. He needs to come in this time around and fire all top level holdovers, starting with the DOJ and all of its branches. These goddamned KGB-like thugs are a great danger to liberty-loving Americans everywhere, as far as I'm concerned..

Last night I had occasion to spend some time with a long time friend. She has been a lifelong Democrat (but I still like her). We got to talking about the upcoming election and she mentioned she voted for Biden as the lesser of two evils. She now freely admits it was a mistake. I just hope there are many more Democrats coming to the same realization.
I voted for Trump but did so swallowing hard to contain the gorge due to his childlike tantrums. He is a man that deeply cares for this country and did well while in office. If he could just let some slights pass and not go into full attack mode each time he doesn't like what others might be saying he likely would be our President right now. He just needs to do a bit of the Joe Show and not confront and berate every idiot that says something he doesn't like. He should just address issues and stay in his basement while a known fool babbles. If he is the nominee I will again vote for him but hope he doesn't split the votes by running independent if he is not the chosen candidate. Unfortunately it already appears to be more of the same with his pre campaign confrontations with people in his own party. Put a sock in it Donald and be the man we need to have in office! After you are there, give them hell as you have nothing to lose in your second term.

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I say unreservedly- and I'll say it to anyone who listens: I love Donald Trump. The man kept one of the nastiest, most vile, evil leftist crooks ever to draw breath out of office- Hillary "Bad Faith" Clinton.

Amen

Para,
Thanks for starting this thread. The OP expresses my thoughts as well. There have already been many great comments.

It will be an interesting primary. But hard fought primaries make for battle-tested candidates.

My biggest concern about DeSantis is where he gets his money. Big donors want him beholden. I hope that doesn't happen.

Agree. Additionally, I do believe Desantis would be a better president than Trump. I would also prefer a candidate who can potentially stay in power for 8 years vice once that can only give us 4.

President Trump gave us four terrific years! He kept our Country headed on course at full steam ahead while keeping the rest of the world in check! I can’t imagine where we would be right now if he had had his cabinet, Congress, and the medias support.

I have been wondering lately if he is planning a “sleight of hand”. Have the media and Dems focused on him running, and then stepping aside at the last minute and supporting who he thinks will do the best job.
There is no doubt that he will do what he thinks is best for this Country, and I thank God he is on our side!

He's definitely being coy by never answering the question in multiple interviews. I hope he waits until 2028 to throw in his hat but I get it if he wants to go now. I really want to see Trump get his 2nd term, turn DC on its head after learning some really hard lessons, and righting the ship.

I am hoping DeSantis is it. Trump did do some good things while in office, but any time I tried to get behind him he would say or do something offensive.

Still hoping Haley is in for the long haul just to see the left try to attack her, and we get to accuse the attacker of being Racist/Misogynistic/Xenophobic. Give the left an actual taste of their own medicine.

If Trump wins the primary and is the GOP nominee in 2024, then we end up with a Democrat in the White House. Period. End of story.

As so many others have said in this thread already, there are too many people that hate Trump. Trump is too polarizing. There are too many people that will either withhold their vote, or vote for the other person.

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Originally posted by holdem:
If Trump wins the primary and is the GOP nominee in 2024, then we end up with a Democrat in the White House. Period. End of story.

That's the very same thing "experts" were saying in 2016. And I mean exactly the same thing, including the "Period. End of story" stuff.

You don't know anything of the sort. You could be just as wrong as people were- including members of this very forum- in 2016. While you're expressing your dislike of Donald Trump, don't forget to forget to thank him for keeping Hillary Clinton out of office.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
I know that if Donald were to gain the White House again there would be a great correction domestically and in foreign affairs......which is another reason the Left will do all it can to discourage us through fear and despair from imposing him on them. Soros has weighed in on DeSantis as has the Bush family and other rinos. Again, it appears to be a never-Trump coalition developing.

The wrong sorts would really like a DeSantis Republican candidate:

CNN


The Washington Post


Politico


MSNBC



Newsweek


Paul Ryan, The Bushes, Meghan McCain, Chuck Schumer, The Lincoln Project, etc. have been pushing this narrative for months. The Media, Democrats, and RINOs are in lockstep with this. Ask yourself WHY.

THIS is Why...

They would be a hell of an interesting team if they decided to work together.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
Para’s first post here pretty much nailed it.
I believe Trump would most likely win the primary but I can’t see him winning the general election.
The chances are also good that the Democrats will end up with a different and stronger candidate, regardless of the Republican candidate.

Trump will bring every crazy leftist to the polls in the general. The party is already split, with many never Trumpers willing to sacrifice our great country. I think the last election was a referendum on DJT. By every measurable metric the GOP should have won bigly and it didn’t. The senate was always a toss up, but the narrow margin in the house is inexcusable and I believe the personal attacks on DeSantis three days before the election is mostly to blame. I too would love to see what a second DJT Presidency would be like, especially if he had the support of a Republican house and senate. I’ll support whomever gets the nomination, but my enthusiastic support at this juncture is behind DeSantis. In the end, I can not see a path to reconciliation between the two conflicting ideologies that exist in this country. They will never coexist. This country has to decide to go one way or the other. I will never surrender my freedom in the name of safety and I was mortified at how quickly many Americans did at the hands of COVID.

The last election was Definitely NOT a referendum on Trump! It should have been a referendum on Biden, but the acts/actions of the GOP Leadership NOT supporting Conservative Candidates in numerous KEY races across the country (even going so far as to support Murkowski AGAINST a Republican!) scuttled that which should have been a sure thing, and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory!

It's the GOP leadership that needs to be defeated...They're NOT on our side, and if it comes to it, they won't side with DeSantis either!

I don't know how this will shake out, other than I pretty sure it will be Trump or DeSantis running. I like Haley but I don't think she's quite ready yet. Her serving as VP for 8 years would put her in a good position.

Imagine if you will, Trump decides he's had enough (unlikely) and throws full support to DeSantis and campaigns for him. The dems would not have a chance even if out of desperation they drag out Michelle or one of the other beloved left wing radicals.

Haley is a back stabbing and pandering RINO. Trying to act really conservative by saying FL "Don't Say Gay" law doesn't go far enough. Wasn't she the one who ordered the confederate flag removed from the grounds of the SC Statehouse, when she was governor?