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Can anyone please explain the new gun laws here in Michigan? I wanted to make a couple of buys before the change but I wasn’t able to. What are the chances that these may be reversed with a new administration? Thanks in advance. Jim | ||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Which one(s) do you want to know about? There are four: Storage mandates, "red flag" law, long gun registry, and domestic violence. All come into force today. The only one that would have made it desirable to acquire a new long gun before today is the long gun registry. As far as any of them ever being reversed: I think it unlikely, because I think it unlikely we'll ever again see non-leftist majorities in the House and Senate, and a non-leftist Governor, all at the same time. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Savor the limelight |
How about 1-3? How do they affect me as nonresident MI homeowner while I’m residing in MI. Glancing through this, but I don’t see anything about a long gun registry. | |||
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I feel so bad for Michigan residents. I found this summary online. https://gandernewsroom.com/202...at-you-need-to-know/ One thing, I don't see how at minimum it is constitutional to require a "license" to buy or inherit a long gun moving forward? | |||
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Gentlemen, if you were a member of your in-State gun rights groups (like VCDL here in VA), you wouldn't have to ask these questions. The NRA can be informative on national issues, but they often neglect local concerns, which may well have a greater affect on the peaceable gun owner just trying to stay within the law. You State rights association deserves your support, and you will be well-rewarded for it. | |||
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Husband, Father, Aggie, all around good guy! |
I would be interested to hear from MI residents as to what has/is happening in MI that is driving the Leftism so hard. I understand that there is a large Muslim ~majority now in Dearborn IIRC, perhaps other cities. My sense is that Detroit is losing population with the Big Three car makers losing share. Perhaps that means the only people staying are those incapable of leaving and vote D. Thanks for correcting and adding to my understanding. I hope this can be abated and reversed ultimately, we need MI on the Red team. | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
IANAL, but... Storage mandates: While you're in the state of Michigan you are required to store any firearms in your possession in the state as per the law, irrespective of residency. Red Flag law: I would imagine that would apply only to firearms you have in your possession while you're in the state. I do not believe they have the power to reach across state lines to seize your firearms in another state if you were red-flagged in Michigan. Long gun registry: Long guns acquired before Feb. 13, 2024 are exempt. TTBOMK: Non-residents are not obliged to register firearms. Domestic violence: The law Thus, I would expect if you've been convicted of domestic abuse you are prohibited from possessing firearms in the state of Michigan until the above has been satisfied, irrespective of residency. Eh... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The new laws aren't that bad. Least not compared to those of some other states. My main concern is they won't stop. They'll just keep piling more and more on. If it's Constitutional for handguns, why would it not be for long guns? Yup. In Michigan that would be Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners (MCRGO) Same thing as nearly everywhere else in the country: The major Metro areas. They're inevitably solid, dark blue, and their populations overwhelm those of the rural areas. What finally really tipped it, in Michigan, was when Oakland County, just north of Detroit, the second most populous county in Michigan, long solidly conservative, turned blue. Why did Oakland County turn blue? No idea. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Savor the limelight |
Wasn’t there a school shooting in Oakland County? The one where the parents were charged with negligent homicide? The long gun thing will be interesting for me. The language that makes it legal for me to posses and carry handguns in Michigan is convoluted. If they didn’t up date that language for long guns, I could be screwed. | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Yes, the Oxford school shooting in Nov., 2021. It is? What part(s) do you find convoluted? TTBOMK there've been no changes to Michigan law regarding the carrying or transport of firearms, and the same laws always applied to long guns as handguns in this respect. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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I know what I like I like what I know |
I offer the following as a partial answer: 1. The election of Gretchen Whitmer (Dem) as Governor 2. Referring to her as ‘That Woman in Michigan’ by Trump with follow on SNL skit 3. The election of Joslyn Benson (Dem) as Secretary of State 4. The election of Dana Nessel (Dem) as Attorney General 5. The appearance in the Michigan State Capital Building of ‘militia’ members openly carrying black rifles during a session of the Legislature making every Dem from S.E. Michigan districts feel ‘threatened’ 6. The attempted kidnapping of #1, above 7. The re-drawing of all Michigan voting districts thereby ensuring that many more Dems are elected to all levels of Michigan government, including US Congress 8. The election of a Democrat majority in our State Senate and our State House of Representatives 9. The Oxford High School shooting incident 10. The Michigan State University shooting incident 11. Many and several occurrences of very young children finding their parent’s firearm and wounding/killing a sibling/friend/themselves Best regards, Mark in Michigan | |||
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'm alright it's the rest of the world that's all screwed up! | |||
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Green grass and high tides |
Nice Mim, there is some bs mixed in there. "Practice like you want to play in the game" | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Most of that more addresses the results than the whys. (And you forgot the now-left-dominated Michigan Supreme Court.) I imagine the whys are more along the lines of...
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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right on ensigmatic! "Do not approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction." John Deacon, Author I asked myself if I was crazy, and we all said no. | |||
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The article from Gander was quite slanted. If you look at the writer you can see why. So far long guns will not have to be registered. However, doing the background check will add about fifty dollars to a sale between private parties. Personally I think some of this will be ignored, especially in the north. I am more optimistic about the state government than my friends from downstate. Granted they may very well be correct but the house and senate only have about a one or two difference. The governors office seems to flip back and forth. I think a couple seats that went D last time around in the north will come back from the dark side.One good thing is Trump leads by about 5 points, hopefully that will carry on down ballot. I would like to know more about the storage requirements. Especially as it pertains to vehicles. Thanks for the input everyone | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Look it up, man. I'm sure if you were to type something like "new Michigan firearms law storage requirement" you'd find all you need to know. From the MCRGO newsletter on the topic:
There is no change to the law wrt the transportation of firearms in vehicles. Other than as regards handguns when one possesses a CPL, firearms transported in a vehicle must be unloaded and secured in a locked container not readily-accessible by passengers. ICBW, but ISTR you must have a legitimate reason to be transporting a firearm thusly. You can't just stash it in your vehicle and haul it around with you "just because." "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Much good info on the Michigan Gun Owners forum. Look in the Leagle Beagle section. You will have to register on the forum to access it. There is a chart explaining the requirements for pistol and rifle sales between private parties and thru a ffl. Pal, rifle sales to someone with a cpl just requires using the new Firearms Sales Record. Sale without cpl requires buyer to obtain license to Purchase from their P.D.(P.D. does background check) | |||
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If you let a Camel get its nose in your tent. Next thing ya know ,you’re looking at its ass. | |||
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This is NOT a good article to link to. The Long Gun Registry does not exist and there are NO License requirements to purchase either a Pistol or Long Gun. Note there used to be a need for a Pistol Purchase Permit but that was done away with in the mid 2000 teens. I will also note that I have been unable to find any means of having my pistol purchase record removed from the state registry after selling a pistol. In addition the Pistol Registry is based on paper records and as a result it is NOT searchable in anything approaching a timely manner. Because these records date back to the 1930's so it's a huge paper database. Universal Background checks have been in place for a rather long time. The only time I didn't have to submit to a check was when my CPL provided an exemption. So I don't consider this a real burden. Note I don't like these checks but my name is unique enough that I've never been held up. Safe Storage. There is a notation in the wording of the Bill that this requirement applies if there is a reasonable expectation that Children will be in the home for any legal purpose. As in Visitors or children of the Home Resident parents or guardians. As I live alone without any local family there will not be children present in my home. So it's not a concern for me but it will be for those who have children in there homes. I really cannot object to this requirement, if I did have children visiting I would have everything locked up. Long Gun Registry. That was worrisome. While I will admit my google skills are poor but I could not find a thing about a Long Gun Registry. Zip, NADA, Nothing in either local news articles or on the State web site. At present I can only conclude that this does not exist. Links to the Bill that presented this in the legislature are welcome because I couldn't find anything. I've stopped counting. | |||
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Savor the limelight |
As far as I know, background checks were not requires for face to face transactions of long guns, but they are now. To answer ensigmatic: MI seems to have two separate laws regarding non-residents possessing firearms in MI. One of them says if it’s legal for you to own it in your own state and not illegal in MI, then you can have it in MI. The other applies to firearms less than 30” AOL, that says if you are licensed in your state to carry such, then you can do so in MI as well and you aren’t required to register it. There might have been a third law as well and I found the whole thing convoluted at the time. I find the riparian rights laws up there convoluted as well. I think there’s five different laws in different sections that apply. Now if, as the article implies, MI merely replaced pistol with firearm wherever it applied, then I can’t help but wonder how that applies to possession of long guns in MI for non-residents. Will they have to be licensed by their state to carry long guns? That was the only way possession of handguns was legal. Florida doesn’t discriminate as they issue a concealed weapons license, but the weapon does have to be concealed. If I can’t conceal a scoped Model 700 BDL, does that mean it’s illegal for me to possess in MI? I’m only concerned about possession and that the transportation laws haven’t changed has no bearing on possession. The punitive portion of the storage laws seem only to apply if a minor has your firearm. As the owner of the firearm, you can be charged with a crime now if a minor is caught with that firearm and the firearm was not stored in a manner prescribed by the law. That doesn’t change anything for me. | |||
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