originally posted by Hound Dog: Add yet ANOTHER new bomber that came out to 'replace' the BUFF (slang for B-52 - Big Ugly Fat Fellow).
Fellow? Is this the Hallmark Channel?
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December 03, 2022, 11:30 AM
SIGnified
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Originally posted by TMats:
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originally posted by Hound Dog: Add yet ANOTHER new bomber that came out to 'replace' the BUFF (slang for B-52 - Big Ugly Fat Fellow).
Fellow? Is this the Hallmark Channel?
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December 03, 2022, 11:32 AM
tatortodd
I read this AM that the new B-21 is 3/4 billion each.
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December 03, 2022, 11:40 AM
corsair
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Originally posted by tatortodd: I read this AM that the new B-21 is 3/4 billion each.
Compared to the B-2 which rings in at $2+ billion, sounds like a bargain
December 03, 2022, 11:42 AM
kkina
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Originally posted by tatortodd: I read this AM that the new B-21 is 3/4 billion each.
About the same as the B-2, until you factor in inflation, which then drives the latter to $2 billion. Such a deal. Let's hope we don't crash one of these.
The price tag is also reflective of the expected contract order size. R&D gets divided over the number of build units.
The B-2 was expected to have 100 units, it was shortened to 21 with the fall of the Soviet Union. The remaining design costs were added to the 21 units increasing the price significantly.
If Congress allows a full build out, the price per unit for the B-21 will seem like a bargain compared to the B-2. If they slash the number of aircraft, the price would seem more comparable.
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December 03, 2022, 03:43 PM
LS1 GTO
Next week they see if the SAE built engines will fit into metric airframe.
Engines built by Rolls-Royce.
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December 03, 2022, 05:00 PM
walker77
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Originally posted by LS1 GTO: Next week they see if the SAE built engines will fit into metric airframe.
Engines built by Rolls-Royce.
Engines are the same used in the F-35 which is made by Pratt & Whitney
The B-52 is using Rolls Royce engines.
December 03, 2022, 07:13 PM
bettysnephew
Guess I should have expected the long speeches and short aircraft display. What I didn't expect was a "personalized" version of the National Anthem from a government entity but Biden's tentacles reach far. I am so tired of these singers making the Anthem "theirs". Play it and sing it like it is written. Disgruntled Old Fart! i.e. One of the old white guys the progs can't tolerate and proud of it! Plan on sticking around for as long as I can to piss them off.
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December 03, 2022, 07:58 PM
Pipe Smoker
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Originally posted by walker77:
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Originally posted by LS1 GTO: Next week they see if the SAE built engines will fit into metric airframe.
Engines built by Rolls-Royce.
Engines are the same used in the F-35 which is made by Pratt & Whitney <snip>
Does that mean that the B-21 engines have afterburners?
Serious about crackers.
December 03, 2022, 09:08 PM
walker77
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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
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Originally posted by walker77:
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Originally posted by LS1 GTO: Next week they see if the SAE built engines will fit into metric airframe.
Engines built by Rolls-Royce.
Engines are the same used in the F-35 which is made by Pratt & Whitney <snip>
Does that mean that the B-21 engines have afterburners?
I wondered the same thing. The article I read said they were modified F-35 engines. I would assume the afterburner was removed since it's a sub sonic bomber.
It seems like a really small engine to power that big of a plane.
The article said they chose that engine for cost savings due to parts availability.
December 03, 2022, 09:16 PM
Hound Dog
Engines and afterburners are separate components. . .
So, I serioysly doubt the B-21 has afterburners.
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December 04, 2022, 03:26 PM
asonie
Smaller engine, smaller airframe? Or maybe just cost. Either way, thrust. But supersonic speed in a stealth bomber isn’t necessary, you want to be as quiet and invisible as possible. Afterburners have a large IR signature.
December 04, 2022, 03:33 PM
corsair
Good discussion keeping things in perspective.
Unlike the B-2, this new plane isn't completely revolutionary as many internal components are currently in-use which helps reduce supply chain complications. Simply updating the flying-wing design to a more simplified but, modern creation.
December 04, 2022, 04:02 PM
Hound Dog
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Originally posted by TMats:
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originally posted by Hound Dog: Add yet ANOTHER new bomber that came out to 'replace' the BUFF (slang for B-52 - Big Ugly Fat Fellow).
Fellow? Is this the Hallmark Channel?
I won't use that vulgar language in polite society.
I spent 23+ years in the USAF, so I know that a lot of military life revolves around foul language. I just choose to use other words to explain/describe.
Our history is festooned with such 'colorful metaphors' - BUFF, SLUF (Short Littel Ugly Fellow - the A-7 Corsair II), FUBAR (Fouled Up Beyond All Recogntion), JANFO (Joint Army/Navy Foul Up), FIGMO (F- It; Got My Orders, meaning you were leaving the current unit for another assignment). . . I even came up with SNAFUBAR - Situation Normal: All Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition).
I won't apologize for not using bad language.
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December 04, 2022, 08:49 PM
walker77
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Originally posted by corsair: Good discussion keeping things in perspective.
Unlike the B-2, this new plane isn't completely revolutionary as many internal components are currently in-use which helps reduce supply chain complications. Simply updating the flying-wing design to a more simplified but, modern creation.
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Watching this now. There were 2 things that really surprised me.
1. USA is the only country in NATO that has bombers. Russia and China are the only other countries that have bombers.
2. Because of the point above, the Pentagon is considering sales to other countries. Currently Australia is very interested.
December 04, 2022, 10:17 PM
corsair
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Originally posted by walker77:
Watching this now. There were 2 things that really surprised me.
1. USA is the only country in NATO that has bombers. Russia and China are the only other countries that have bombers.
2. Because of the point above, the Pentagon is considering sales to other countries. Currently Australia is very interested.
The countries that actually have a dedicated bomber is surprisingly small. I believe the UK's last bomber was the Vulcan, which was apart of their nuclear deterrence mission however with the shrinkage of their budget and the introduction of the Trident SLBM, the RAF shifted their nuclear mission to tactical delivery. To date, I believe the only nuclear capable aircraft in Europe is the F-16 and any remaining strike variant Tornado's; the F-35 is not yet certified.
Australia has been getting serious about their defense and re-introducing the strategic bomber mission to the RAAF could take some of the deterrence strain off of US. I can see the UK possibly kicking tires on the B-21. Way back in the 80's, the F-117 was made available but they refused it. I believe budget, and the political and practical gymnastics to keep such a program hidden was the biggest challenge for them. Curiously the Aussies are the only country to purchase and incorporate an airborne electronic attack aircraft, the EF-18G Growler into their inventory. You know a country is serious when they actually dedicate funds to electronic warfare.
December 04, 2022, 10:31 PM
Pipe Smoker
^^^^^^^^ Re: “the F-35 is not yet certified.” Lordy – it’s been a long time coming.
Serious about crackers.
December 05, 2022, 03:43 AM
flashguy
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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
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Originally posted by TMats:
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originally posted by Hound Dog: Add yet ANOTHER new bomber that came out to 'replace' the BUFF (slang for B-52 - Big Ugly Fat Fellow).
Fellow? Is this the Hallmark Channel?
I won't use that vulgar language in polite society.
I spent 23+ years in the USAF, so I know that a lot of military life revolves around foul language. I just choose to use other words to explain/describe.
Our history is festooned with such 'colorful metaphors' - BUFF, SLUF (Short Littel Ugly Fellow - the A-7 Corsair II), FUBAR (Fouled Up Beyond All Recogntion), JANFO (Joint Army/Navy Foul Up), FIGMO (F- It; Got My Orders, meaning you were leaving the current unit for another assignment). . . I even came up with SNAFUBAR - Situation Normal: All Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition).
I won't apologize for not using bad language.
I'm with you on this. My interpretations are: FIGMO = Fooey, I Got My Orders OMGIF = Oh, My Goodness, I'm Fouled (up) SNAFU = Situation Normal, All Fouled Up FUBAR = Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition
They've always worked in church . . . .
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December 05, 2022, 09:48 AM
corsair
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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker: ^^^^^^^^ Re: “the F-35 is not yet certified.” Lordy – it’s been a long time coming.
I'll let others comment who have better knowledge but, my understanding is that the entire process to certify is unbelievably detailed, to the point of nearly designing a new airplane.
