SIGforum.com    Main Page  Hop To Forum Categories  The Lounge    Edited: A Lesson about Radicalism, Confused Crime Scenes, and Flippant Thread Titles
Page 1 2 3 
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
Edited: A Lesson about Radicalism, Confused Crime Scenes, and Flippant Thread Titles Login/Join 
SIGforum's Berlin
Correspondent
Picture of BansheeOne
posted
It's rare for this kind of situation to be caught on (public) camera in Germany; much fewer such incidents to begin with, and police bodycam footage is not usually published. Once in a while you have some nutbag attacking a public figure with TV cameras watching, which happened to then-chancellor candidate Oskar Lafontaine of the Social Democrats while campaigning in 1990 with a knife-wielding woman, or somewhat more benignly to then-foreign minister Joschka Fischer of the Greens during a 1998 debate on German participation in the Kosovo War by a paint-throwing peace activist. Can't recall such an impressive Ruby-shoots-Oswald-style picture, though.



What happened is that fairly well-known anti-Islam activist Michael Stürzenberger was livestreaming himself in downtown Mannheim, Baden-Württemberg, when some guy who clearly disagreed with his message stabbed him, a companion, and subsequently a police officer who intervened. Police then shot the attacker. Details so far unknown, though given that the first officer was stabbed in the neck, he is supposed to be seriously injured.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: BansheeOne,
 
Posts: 2465 | Location: Berlin, Germany | Registered: April 12, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Help! Help!
I'm being repressed!

Picture of Skull Leader
posted Hide Post
Prayers for the recovery of the victims. As a morbid aside...that's an awesome photo.
 
Posts: 11213 | Location: The Magnolia State | Registered: November 20, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of DrDan
posted Hide Post
Crazy. Just to make sure I have the photo correct, Stürzenberger is in the blue jacket on the ground, the intervening officer on top of him, and the attacker on the far left in a green shirt. Correct?




This space intentionally left blank.
 
Posts: 5058 | Location: Florida | Registered: August 16, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Uppity Helot
posted Hide Post
Hope the knife weilder winds up being the only one without a pulse.
 
Posts: 3218 | Location: Manheim, PA | Registered: September 04, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
SIGforum's Berlin
Correspondent
Picture of BansheeOne
posted Hide Post
Not sure who is Stürzenberger. Video of the incident is on Twitter, showing the confusion; the first officer may have tackled the wrong guy, but seems not critically injured. The second acted exemplarily. Mostly leg wounds due to lots of wrestling, from the looks of it.

https://x.com/i/status/1796485638742819253
 
Posts: 2465 | Location: Berlin, Germany | Registered: April 12, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Made from a
different mold
Picture of mutedblade
posted Hide Post
Just so I’m clear BansheeOne, you and others like you consider Michael Stürzenberger a “RADICAL” because he doesn’t want the country he lives in taken over by inbreds with a penchant for violence? The same ones that have no desire to assimilate or otherwise become part of Germany? The same ones that hate Jews just for existing? Guess you forgot Cologne and all of the rapes/sexual assaults that happened. Guess it didn’t happen to you or yours, so you are okay with it?


___________________________
No thanks, I've already got a penguin.
 
Posts: 2872 | Location: Lake Anna, VA | Registered: May 07, 2012Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of TigerDore
posted Hide Post
The knife-wielding Islamo-fascist seems to prove Sturzenberger correct, rather than a "radical".

How many times do we need to see this played out to know that Islamists do not need to be in charge of anything? Or even allowed to be a large minority?

Anyone who has studied the Quran or the life of Muhammed knows that this is not a "religion of peace". The fact that they align themselves with the totalitarian Left in western cultures, and the Left willingly invites them into their club should be enough for any sane human being to restrict their entry into a civilized country.



.
 
Posts: 9124 | Registered: September 26, 2013Reply With QuoteReport This Post
SIGforum's Berlin
Correspondent
Picture of BansheeOne
posted Hide Post
I consider him a radical because he has stated that any Muslim who doesn't swear off his faith should be deported; not any Muslim immigrant, not any Muslim non-citizen, but any Muslim. I call that pretty radical, seeing as it contradicts the constitutional guarantee of religious freedom wholesale. And given that he has been thrown out of two subsequent conservative parties and been embroiled in a fight over direction in the right-wing Pax Europa group he is currently a member of for the last two years, those around him seem to agree.

Incidentally, he has also pissed off Jewish groups because he opposes practices like male circumcision of minors and ritual butchering common to Judaism and Islam. And BTW other than a couple charges of popular incitement and disparaging religious groups, he has also been convicted for insulting a police officer. Since his rallies are typically directed more at an internet audience, and frequently include cursing passersby for showing no interest, I suspect he's more of a general crank who has found a pet issue that allows him to vent his spleen for a nominal purpose.
 
Posts: 2465 | Location: Berlin, Germany | Registered: April 12, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
SIGforum Official
Eye Doc
Picture of bcereuss
posted Hide Post
The problem with Islam is it’s not just a religion-it’s an all-encompassing governing religious societal system. Muslims *will not* coexist with other religions or within a free society. They believe if one does not adopt Islam, they non-adopters are to be killed. So, in that sense, I believe he is not wrong in wanting all Muslim adherents out.

Islam beliefs are a marked departure from other religions.

Daily Mail contribution
 
Posts: 3055 | Location: (Occupied) Northern Minnesota | Registered: June 24, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Left-Handed,
NOT Left-Winged!
posted Hide Post
Cop didn't fire enough shots. The other cops didn't fire any.
 
Posts: 5034 | Location: Indiana | Registered: December 28, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Staring back
from the abyss
Picture of Gustofer
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by BansheeOne:
I consider him a radical because he has stated that any Muslim who doesn't swear off his faith should be deported; not any Muslim immigrant, not any Muslim non-citizen, but any Muslim. I call that pretty radical,

I call it pretty sane.


________________________________________________________
"Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton.
 
Posts: 20995 | Location: Montana | Registered: November 01, 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Get my pies
outta the oven!

Picture of PASig
posted Hide Post
Damn, looks like he stabbed that cop in the neck

https://x.com/jackposobiec/sta...513951402078370?s=46



 
Posts: 35149 | Location: Pennsylvania | Registered: November 12, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Altitude Minimum
Picture of BOATTRASH1
posted Hide Post
This guy may be a nutbag but Islam is a scourge on the face of the earth and will not assimilate with any western culture.
 
Posts: 1315 | Location: Shalimar, FL | Registered: January 24, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Get my pies
outta the oven!

Picture of PASig
posted Hide Post
Notice how timid those German cops are and one of them fires one single shot? Do they not teach that you fire at a threat until it is neutralized there?

I wonder if this is due to a fear of the officer being prosecuted?


 
Posts: 35149 | Location: Pennsylvania | Registered: November 12, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
No ethanol!
posted Hide Post
Perp did fall away and appear incapacitated. Cop stayed at the ready. We don't know where he was hit, or if there were civilians in background. I cannot question what went down on just this angle.


------------------
The plural of anecdote is not data. -Frank Kotsonis
 
Posts: 2120 | Location: Berks Co PA | Registered: December 20, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Bolt Thrower
Picture of Voshterkoff
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by PASig:
Damn, looks like he stabbed that cop in the neck


I wonder if that cop learned anything from this, or has critical thinking been culled from the gene pool over there.
 
Posts: 10080 | Location: Woodinville, WA | Registered: March 30, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Not really from Vienna
Picture of arfmel
posted Hide Post
“Incidentally, he has also pissed off Jewish groups because he opposes practices like male circumcision of minors and ritual butchering common to Judaism and Islam. And BTW other than a couple charges of popular incitement and disparaging religious groups, he has also been convicted for insulting a police officer.”

I don’t know anything about “popular incitement” but those other accusations sound very serious indeed.
String him up.
 
Posts: 27275 | Location: SW of Hovey, Texas | Registered: January 30, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by mutedblade:
Just so I’m clear BansheeOne, you and others like you consider Michael Stürzenberger a “RADICAL” because he doesn’t want the country he lives in taken over by inbreds with a penchant for violence? The same ones that have no desire to assimilate or otherwise become part of Germany? The same ones that hate Jews just for existing? Guess you forgot Cologne and all of the rapes/sexual assaults that happened. Guess it didn’t happen to you or yours, so you are okay with it?

From what I'm gathering, Stürzenberger is a more articulate Alex Jones-type of figure in Germany. On the surface he has a number of relevant points, however his statements about Islam are broadly sweeping, lumping any believer of the religion in with the same bucket as the Islamists and the stridently unassimilated.

On the flip-side, Germany like many European countries have immigrant populations from Islamic countries that refuse to assimilate, governments have allowed enclaves to take root where those countries laws & rules don't apply or, are lightly enforced in a misguided effort to be 'culturally sensitive'. Criticism of these policies & actions is met with castigation, denunciation and public shaming with support via the media. Its no surprise that the pendulum-swing of public sentiment swings-hard and political parties like the AfD, Dutch Freedom party and French National Front (with news media working overtime to cast them as 'extremists') have found electoral success as current and sitting governments have either refused or, soft-peddled the issues.
 
Posts: 15189 | Location: Wine Country | Registered: September 20, 2000Reply With QuoteReport This Post
goodheart
Picture of sjtill
posted Hide Post
There is a better description on Instapundit:

quote:
This meme is currently spreading rapidly in Germany. It's a scene from the attack on #stürzenberger in #mannheim
The policeman didn't throw the migrant with the knife to the ground, but one of the patriots who were attacked. Then the migrant stabbed him in the neck from behind. A… pic.twitter.com/ZzmyJ5QIB9

— Martin Sellner


_________________________
“Remember, remember the fifth of November!"
 
Posts: 18617 | Location: One hop from Paradise | Registered: July 27, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of Ripley
posted Hide Post




Set the controls for the heart of the Sun.
 
Posts: 8657 | Location: Flown-over country | Registered: December 25, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
  Powered by Social Strata Page 1 2 3  
 

SIGforum.com    Main Page  Hop To Forum Categories  The Lounge    Edited: A Lesson about Radicalism, Confused Crime Scenes, and Flippant Thread Titles

© SIGforum 2024