They are trying something similar in California. Probation scores them, and based on their score, they either get released or held. The idea was that it'd let out maybe 7 or 8 out of 10 new bookings and only hold the most serious offenders. One Probation Officer said on average, he only has 1 out of 10 score low enough to be let out. Like someone said, how do you decrease inmate population? Dont keep anyone locked up. All this crap is a joke, like Prop 47. How do you decrease crime? Decriminalize a bunch of crimes. Such a mess.

NY’s top Democrats plan to ‘fix’ no-bail disaster same messed-up way it got passed

https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/...p-way-it-got-passed/

Sigh: The best any state leader is offering when it comes to fixing last year’s botched criminal-justice reforms is a deal cooked up behind closed doors and rushed through in the same cockamamie process that produced this mess in the first place.

On Wednesday, state Senate Majority Leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins backed Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s call to do it via the state budget, due April 1. But that means the two of them going behind closed doors to cut a deal with Assembly Speaker Carl Heastie — who remains dead-set against any changes.

Cuomo nonsensically claims this closed-door process will be “transparent” — because “we’re having this conversation.” Huh? The key talks will still be secret; New Yorkers won’t learn the details until after they’re passed.

As the Citizens Budget Commission’s David Friedfel argues, what’s needed is stand-alone legislation that lets folks “reach out to elected officials before they vote.”

Of course, the whole closed-door budget process itself is a longstanding sham, one that regularly includes imposing new laws that have zilch to do with the budget.

That gives lawmakers cover for unpopular moves and lets them engage in ugly horse-trading. What will Heastie demand in exchange for bail-reform fixes? Yet there’s no reason to pay any price to repair the damage.

Cuomo and Stewart-Cousins see the writing on the wall: These changes are clearly driving up crime — and a furious public wants it fixed.

At minimum: Restore judges’ discretion to detain dangerous suspects and persistent offenders; protect witnesses; give prosecutors the time and resources to process evidence before sharing it with defendants’ lawyers.

None of the Democratic “big three” leaders is promising to address all those issues, so there’s no reason to think they’ll deliver a genuine fix in their backroom deal.

Can you imagine how low the morale is on NYPD? Why even bother trying?

They passed this a few years ago up here in Alaska, promising that the end result would be less crime and more rehabilitated productive citizens.

Of course crime got worse. Car theft went through the roof. Property crime is rampant, and if it doesn’t involve breaking into a house it’s often not even reported because the police are overwhelmed, and if caught it means nothing. Drug use in public places. Just as intended. Winning.

I don't know if this one made it over here last week or not.

Man gets arrested three times in one day due to being released on bail reform law

""TROY NY (WRGB) - Three arrests in one day, spread across seven hours and just two blocks!
Those are the dizzying numbers from just one suspect that has the troy police union calling for changes to bail reform laws.
That suspect is Scott Nolan.
The new laws are allowing suspects like Nolan to be released with an appearance ticket instead of being taken into custody.

The Troy Police Union believes this is putting an unnecessary burden on their officers by having to repeatedly catch this man. They also say the new laws diminish the power of arrest.
The states new bail laws tangled up Troy Police in a game loop of catch and release. They arrested Scott Nolan three times in seven hours yesterday.
RELATED: Governor Cuomo open to making bail reform changes in New York
Around 9am they arrested him and charged him for shoplifting. He was released with an appearance ticket.
Hours later, they say he assaulted a man just before 2:30pm. He was arrested and released again.
Then just before 4:30pm they say he hit another person with a brick. Police charged him with second degree attempted assault and third degree criminal possession of a weapon, which kept him in custody.
"They just basically become a reactive instead of a proactive police department," says Nicholas Laviano, the President of Troy's Police Union.
MORE: Bail reform supporters rally at state capital to protect law, end mass criminalization
Laviano says the department knows Nolan well. This isn't his first déjà vu with the department.
Back in January police charged him with criminal mischief and released him. They say they caught him committing the same crime hours later.
Laviano says his criminal history is 50 pages long, and that has to be printed out every time he's arrested. He says that process uses uses up time and taxpayer money.
"It's a morale killer," Laviano says. "They know that they're not out there doing the real police work that they want to be doing."

The new laws eliminate cash bail for most misdemeanors, non-violent felonies and e felonies. Supporters of the measure said the laws could cut down on mass incarceration, especially people that can't afford bail.
Assemblyman John McDonald, says this example shows that the new laws may need tweaking.
"You talk to most people in law endorsement they don't disagree with the principles behind bail reform," said Assemblyman John McDonald. "What is concerning is when you have persistent cases like this which are really occupying a lot of law enforcement's time."
Again, Nolan has been remanded and is in the Rensselaer County Jail. He will be back in court on Friday."

Here's another example. On the bright side, prosecutors managed to keep him in jail on a previous conviction.

https://www.syracuse.com/crime...t-and-run-fatal.html

Driver’s checkered past ends bail debate in Onondaga Lake Parkway hit-and-run fatal

Updated Mar 03, 2020; Posted Mar 03, 2020

By Douglass Dowty | ddowty@syracuse.com

Syracuse, NY -- A Lyncourt driver has been indicted in the past week in connection with a fatal hit-and-run on Onondaga Lake Parkway.

If proven, Michael Ziemba, 49, will likely be headed back to prison. More than 20 years ago, he served time for a drugged-driving crash and possessing more than 50 pounds of marijuana.

But those prior crimes are not what’s keeping him in jail now. In fact, Ziemba’s fatal hit-and-run charge in the Oct. 12, 2019 death of pedestrian Jason Quackenbush -- a father of four -- isn’t grounds to keep him locked up, either, under the state’s new bail laws.

Ziemba’s case might be the closest one yet in Central New York to create controversy over bail reform’s new rule that requires the release of suspected hit-and-run drivers before trial. Ziemba had been jailed on $200,000 bail in late 2019, before the new law went into effect Jan. 1.

A felony judge reluctantly ordered Ziemba released, without bail, because the new law didn’t allow him to be jailed on the fatal hit-and-run charge.

But Ziemba can’t stop getting into trouble, and that turned out to make any bail debate moot.

Ziemba had previously admitted beating up his girlfriend in 2018. Under his plea deal, prosecutors still had some control over his liberty. And following the fatal hit-and-run, they convinced another judge to keep him locked up.

So Ziemba remains jailed on the old domestic conviction as the new hit-and-run case reaches court. No date has been set to begin proceedings.

Ziemba faces up to 7 years in prison if convicted of felony leaving the scene of a fatal crash in Quackenbush’s death. He’s also accused of trying to hide the vehicle before eventually turning himself in to authorities.

A law maker who cannot anticipate consequences or disregards them has no business making law and those who put that person in power have no business doing so.

Good, I enjoy seeing the inmates run the asylum; gives us ammunition when they try that shit elsewhere.

Since this bail reform has worked so well in NY, IL now wants it.

https://www.capitolnewsillinoi...ash-bail-in-illinois

Advocates rally to end cash bail in Illinois

Senator says initiative is ‘the civil rights issue of the 21st century’


By PETER HANCOCK
Tuesday, February 25, 2020
Capitol News Illinois
phancock@capitolnewsillinois.com

SPRINGFIELD – Criminal justice reform advocates rallied Tuesday at the Statehouse in hopes of making Illinois one of only a handful of states to eliminate cash bail in all or most criminal cases.

“It is unconscionable that there are people locked up in our jails simply because they don’t have enough money to pay their bond,” said Malik Alim, campaign coordinator for the Coalition to End Money Bond. “That is what we want to do away with. We want to do away with the money bond system.”

The idea of abolishing cash bonds has been gaining traction at the Statehouse, and this year Democratic Gov. JB Pritzker endorsed it during his State of the State speech in January as part of a broader criminal justice reform initiative.

New Jersey passed a law to eliminate cash bail which went into effect in 2017. Under that system, arrestees are assessed on a point system to determine if they should be released from custody, held in jail pending trial or released under restriction such as house arrest.

Alaska and New York have since adopted similar reforms. California also has passed similar legislation but it is subject to a veto referendum that will be on the November general election ballot.

Illinois did pass a bail reform law in 2017 that allows most people charged with nonviolent crimes to be released without posting cash bail. But a number of lawmakers have been calling for the complete elimination of cash bail.

But the idea has also met with some resistance, especially from prosecutors and law enforcement agencies who argue that cash bail helps ensure a defendant will show up at trial. They also argue that it provides a source of funds to help compensate crime victims.

State Sen. Elgie Sims, D-Chicago, spoke during the rally, calling bail reform “the civil rights issue of the 21st century.” Fellow Sen. Robert Peters, also a Chicago Democrat, argued during the event that the system does not protect public safety and that it discriminates against the poor.

“We know what safety and justice looks like in our community,” Peters said. “We know it’s a roof over your head. We know it’s a social worker in your school. We know it’s being able to drink your water. What we know is it’s not locking you up because you’re poor.”

Peters said in a separate interview that supporters of eliminating cash bail have not yet introduced a bill but are working with the governor’s office and other parties to come up with language they think can pass.

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Originally posted by chbibc:
Every day our papers here have stories about this cluster, and the criminals it benefits.

Which ones?

I anxiously await the day some illegal or released scum bag kills some high profile democrat or one of their family members . I want to hear the response from the left. Probably never happen. But one can hope and dream.

They are pushing this no cash bail shit here in North Carolina too. And the wonderful ACLU is leading the charge, here. Regards 18DAI