Irma - everyone has gone nuts

September 07, 2017, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
Just learned that when there's a state of emergency in Florida, ... you can't carry concealed.

That would preclude me from traveling down there to help, post-disaster, were I so-inclined. I no longer go anywhere unarmed, willingly.

Trust me. They claim ~600k people in Floria possess CCL's. The vast majority of those still in Florida during and after this storm will be carrying. I'll damn sure be one of them. I do not follow so called 'laws' that intentionally put me in at risk.

September 07, 2017, 10:37 PM

ZSMICHAEL

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We carry and I've moved up to my HK with a bit more capacity. AR and mini are out of safe and accessible. Looting after is going to be problem. Wife now carries 100% even around house.

We did not have the huge problem with looting after Katrina that New Orleans did. There was some. People take advantage of these situations, and it is wise to be armed. A local attorney used his shotgun to save his life. He was not expecting a 27 foot storm surge and his house was quickly flooding. He blasted out his French doors to let the water rush through. He would have drowned. Several days later when there was no electricity there were some miscreants in the neighborhood. Two blasts from the shotgun into the air and they left. I do not recall anyone here on the Coast who was a law abiding citizen being in trouble for carrying a firearm. When the National Guard arrived they were a little more jumpy at first, but calmed down after a while.

September 07, 2017, 10:41 PM

Delmag Tech

Im with you. Ill be around the house from now until its passed. Ill damn sure be protected in the same fashion I usually am, and am licensed by the state to be. Just the thought of that right being questioned whem Im most likely to need it infuriates me.

September 07, 2017, 10:43 PM

RAMIUS

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Yeah I don't think there will be a whole lot of enforcing that law.

Legal or not, that's a situation I'd be armed for.

September 07, 2017, 10:45 PM

sdy

latest NOAA forecast (11 pm EDT)

September 07, 2017, 11:00 PM

tgtshuter

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

It's deja vu, all over again...

Look at them Gogh.

Well done sigmonkey!

September 07, 2017, 11:19 PM

ZSMICHAEL

I lifted this from today's Miami Herald. I think it expresses the feelings of those that live in Florida or in areas impacted by hurricanes.

When Donna hammered the state in 1960, we huddled inside my parents’ shuttered house and listened to the news on a transistor radio, hoping we wouldn’t run out of batteries.

There was no Weather Channel, no colorful cone to contemplate, no spaghetti models to ponder. The sound of trees snapping is what told us the storm had arrived.

Now, thanks to amazing science, we can start fretting 10 days in advance, as soon as the first unruly cloud creeps off the coast of Africa.

Here’s a line that native Floridians love to hear: “You were born here. You must be used to this.”

Seriously? Nobody ever gets used to it, no matter how many hurricanes they experience. If you’re not worried, you’re a certifiable moron.

The wait is always grinding. The blow is always frightening. The cleanup is always grueling.
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I for one can do without the media hype, and all the anticipatory anxiety that goes along with that. Having time to prepare also means have LOTS OF TIME TO WORRY. JHMO

September 07, 2017, 11:53 PM

just1tym

In retrospect, I might add that following the hurricane with Andrew, we had a lot of clean-up from the destruction to homes and businesses. In order to quickly clear the streets and roadways, they contracted services. Many backhoes and bulldozers were up and down neighborhoods pushing debris into piles to be picked up and transported to the fill sites. Leaving behind so much debris to include screws, roofing nails and other sharp objects on the roadways. Within the first month following clean-up, I had 3 flats from roofing nails and screws left behind on the roads. Everybody I know pretty much had several flats in the affected areas, so be mindful, I'm sure there's going to be plenty of clean-up from debris!

September 08, 2017, 03:18 AM

Sig2340

I wonder how the 20+ story high rise buildings in Miami Beach will fare in 120 mph winds.

September 08, 2017, 04:22 AM

trapper189

Link to the European and American ensemble models. The ensemble models are spaghetti plots of multiple runs of each model with slight changes in the variables. Looking at the European ensemble model, it looks like any changes would have the storm going west of the current forcast track.

The current NHC forecast also looks like it's going west of Miami, up the middle of Florida and then into Georgia. The 2am Tuesday is about 35 miles northeast of our current location. At the very least, it looks like we're not driving home, Punta Gorda, on Monday. We'll have to decide sometime tomorrow if we should leave Georgia and which way to go.

September 08, 2017, 05:12 AM

Balzé Halzé

September 08, 2017, 05:39 AM

BurtonRW

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Two blasts from the shotgun into the air and they left.

He must have been standing on his balcony.

[snicker]

-Rob

September 08, 2017, 05:44 AM

Ironmike57

Maybe they will act as a buffer.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
I wonder how the 20+ story high rise buildings in Miami Beach will fare in 120 mph winds.

September 08, 2017, 06:03 AM

HayesGreener

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
Just learned that when there's a state of emergency in Florida, ammo and gun sales are illegal. AND you can't carry concealed.

870.044 Automatic emergency measures.—Whenever the public official declares that a state of emergency exists, pursuant to s. 870.043, the following acts shall be prohibited during the period of said emergency throughout the jurisdiction:
(1) The sale of, or offer to sell, with or without consideration, any ammunition or gun or other firearm of any size or description.
(2) The intentional display, after the emergency is declared, by or in any store or shop of any ammunition or gun or other firearm of any size or description.
(3) The intentional possession in a public place of a firearm by any person, except a duly authorized law enforcement official or person in military service acting in the official performance of her or his duty.

Nothing contained in this chapter shall be construed to authorize the seizure, taking, or confiscation of firearms that are lawfully possessed, unless a person is engaged in a criminal act.

870.043 Declaration of emergency.—Whenever the sheriff or designated city official determines that there has been an act of violence or a flagrant and substantial defiance of, or resistance to, a lawful exercise of public authority and that, on account thereof, there is reason to believe that there exists a clear and present danger of a riot or other general public disorder, widespread disobedience of the law, and substantial injury to persons or to property, all of which constitute an imminent threat to public peace or order and to the general welfare of the jurisdiction affected or a part or parts thereof, he or she may declare that a state of emergency exists within that jurisdiction or any part or parts thereof.

Relax Floridians. This entire section of Florida Statutes relates to Riots, Affrays, Civil Disorder

September 08, 2017, 06:29 AM

Balzé Halzé

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
I wonder how the 20+ story high rise buildings in Miami Beach will fare in 120 mph winds.

They seem to hold up fine. In fact, my coworker who is on the ship with me now lives in Fort Lauderdale right on the Intracoastal, and he told his wife to go into one of the condominium high rises that he has access to to ride out the storm. It's on the 18th floor. It'll definitely be safer there than in his house.

He said that during Wilma he lived on the 18th floor of a building and could feel and even see the building swaying, but in the end he came out fine. Must be pretty unnerving though to see plates shaking and chandeliers swaying with the building. The sound of the wind is also pretty intense as it moves between the buildings and whatnot.

September 08, 2017, 06:42 AM

braillediver

If this is an historic storm past experiences might not reflect the reality on the ground.

September 08, 2017, 06:49 AM

parabellum

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Originally posted by braillediver:
If this is an historic storm past experiences might not reflect the reality on the ground.

The hysteria being whipped up by the news media does not match reality, either.

Calling this storm "historic" is, at this point, silly and wishful thinking on the part of those who benefit from the hysteria.

Anyone ever hear of Hurricane Andrew? This storm may very well be worse than Andrew, but we do not yet know what will happen.

September 08, 2017, 07:08 AM

just1tym

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Originally posted by parabellum:
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Originally posted by braillediver:
If this is an historic storm past experiences might not reflect the reality on the ground.
The histeria being whipped up by the news media does not match reality, either.

Caling this storm "historic" is, at this point, silly and wishful thinking on the part of those who benefit from the hysteria.

Anyone ever hear of Hurricane Andrew?

The media has really been putting their best acts forwards here in Miami locally. They're really doubling down with this storm as it approaches. In fact, their faces seemed a little disappointed that the storm has most recently been downgraded to 155mph this morning, but they add that hook that "Don't forget folks...it's still right on the border of a category 5, which makes it a devastating Category 4" Now, here locally they're pushing huge storm surge warnings and and massive flooding

Honestly in the 63yrs I've lived thru storms here in Miami, I've never heard the media scaring the folks as much as today, it definitely creates shear chaos.