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I hope the new owners unscrew this company and get Remington up and going. Looks like the Union is the biggest impediment to moving things along. OEM Remington parts have pretty much dried up. https://www.timestelegram.com/...-license/6602625002/
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A similar article from TV news station. Looks like the new owners wants to build a new plant and create a 1,000 person workforce: https://www.wktv.com/content/n...hill--573553701.html
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Get out of New York and the union!! Move down south to Tennessee or similar, for crying out loud. ______________________________________________________ Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow | |||
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Then you either have to move the employees, away from spouses' jobs, family, whatever. Or hire a whole new workforce and train them. I think they are doing it the right way. Blunt the impact of the union. Make it so Remington can be profitably run, with reinvestment back into company. Refine what they do well, and create new products that make sense. _____________ "I enter a swamp as a sacred place—a sanctum sanctorum. There is the strength—the marrow of Nature." - Henry David Thoreau | |||
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Lawyers and management have a long history of mistreating workers. I realize that unions can do the same thing to companies. Unions can make workers lazy, which is a detriment to both sides. Friends that are in the carpenters or electrican unions say that works well. The union does not appear to be corrupt, companies can hire qualified workers for short term work. Pay and benefits are good. Works for both sides. However if the new owners are starting off the bat to bust the union, which is in violation of the purchase contact, that is a sign that the new owners may not be trustworthy. -c1steve | |||
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My cynical prediction: they open back up and staff almost entirely administrative and technical positions for the first 200. Then, negotiations with the unions and local/state govt. break down, and they end up building a production workforce somewhere in a right-to-work state. If I was being REALLY cynical, I’d say they don’t restart production on guns at all, and just contract out production of branded outdoor goods. - Bret | |||
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Which may or may not ultimately be cheaper and more efficient. My WAG is that Tennessee would be willing to bend over backwards to accommodate a company bringing skilled jobs to the state. | |||
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The whole thing is a cluster fuck. I think I'm hoping against hope that Remington will emerge strong out of this. But the new owners, and the previous Remington CEO's involvement in all this, don't inspire any confidence at all. https://www.randywakeman.com/RemingtonScrewJob.htm
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So if you have a Rem 700 subject to the recall that you've been told they won't/can't fix because of the bankruptcy, just buy a Timney 510 for it and call it good. Harshest Dream, Reality | |||
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Well, it is clear from the bankruptcy documents that the buyers will have no liability for any warranties that Remington would have had to honor. https://bloximages.newyork1.vi...f7398aa26c61.pdf.pdf Wording used throughout the court order approving the sale...
From what I have read, the buyers assume no liability for health plans, etc, either. I suspect the non-transfer of liabilities included union contracts, but I didn't delve that deeply into that. There's also a lot of speculation and wrong information on the various forums and in some on-line article about just what The Roundhill Group bought, and whether or not they will be able to use the Remington name with the resumption of gun making. Some speculating that all Roundhill got were the physical assets in Ilion. It appears clear to me that speculation that Vista is the sole owner of the Remington name and Trademarks (which are very many and listed in detail in the court documents), and that Roundhill will not have the ability to use the Remington name in its manufacturing is not correct. According to the court documents, Vista owns them for the purposes of producing ammo, but Roundhill owns them for the purposes of producing guns. (Not unusual - Winchester guns and Winchester ammo are seperate companies and both use the same names and logos.) The Roundhill Group LLC bought the "Firearms Business," not just Remington's physical assets. "Business" is defined in the court documents as follows:
It appears to me that the "firearms business" will be able to produce, for instance "Remington 870 Wingmasters" under the Remington name, and use all the Remington Trademarks that Remington Outdoors owned in it's "firearms business." Some have speculated that Vista could start building remington guns because they own the trade marks. Again, I highly doubt that. I don't think Vista could build guns under the Remington name because it would violate Roundhill's exclusive right to make guns under those names and trademarks. Likewise, I don't think Roundhill could start manufacturing ammo under the "Remington" name because it would violate Vista's exclusive right to make ammo under those names and trademarks. Roundhill owns "Remington" for the purposes of building guns. Vista owns "Remington" for the purposes of making ammo. As far as SOME intellectual property and trademarks go, it appears each got SOME exclusively connected to their respective businesses. Vista got Remington.com. It appear Roundhill will eventually use RemArms.com. It appears the business Roundhill got will be called RemArms, LLC. It seems trademarks specific to one of the business went to that business. For instance "Wingmaster" went to Roundhill. "Nitro Mag" went to Vista. This is a collection of the court documents totalling thousands of pages. It's all in there. https://cases.primeclerk.com/R...trName=SALEDOCUMENTS _____________ "I enter a swamp as a sacred place—a sanctum sanctorum. There is the strength—the marrow of Nature." - Henry David Thoreau | |||
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I received an email from CDNN yesterday that had Remington 11-87 20 gage receivers for sale. My WAG is Remington sold all parts prior to the bankruptcy and there is nothing left in Ilion to assemble. Has RemArms even established a purchasing department yet? Establishing a supply chain will not happen overnight. I am doubtful we will ever see another "Remington". | |||
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It appears they sold all gun parts and gun making equipment to Roundhill, who states they intend to resume gun making. In one of those documents in the link I posted, there is an inventory list of assembled guns, gun parts, tools etc, that is hundred and hundreds of pages long. Remington had a whole bunch of assembled guns, apparently never distributed, that went to the buyer. There may have been some parts that were sold other buyers. Again, the documents combined are thousands of pages long. As far as a raw material supplier, I have no idea. But I suspect any supplier would be happy to sell to Remington (again). _____________ "I enter a swamp as a sacred place—a sanctum sanctorum. There is the strength—the marrow of Nature." - Henry David Thoreau | |||
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