My wife is a ‘04 grad and she’s pissed hearing this news. I’m kind of surprised they’d even let him come in being as conservative as they are, they’re almost like the Hillsdale of PA:

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Mike Pence's next job:

From Fox News:
Pence will be teaching a course at Grove City College, the school announced Thursday. Grove City College is a conservative Christian school located in Grove City, Pennsylvania.

Maybe things have changed in the past 20 years.

Possible class name: “How To Be A Snake 101”


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Or maybe call the class 'Judas 101'.

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:
Or maybe call the class 'Judas 101'.

Taught by Benedict Pence, of course.

Lots of Dems will attend.

I do wonder about the nature of the course – surprising that it hasn’t been revealed.

So it’s a class on fiction

Grove City College is a conservative Christian school. Mike Pence is by any definition a Conservative. He is also clearly a Christian.

I totally understand everyone's anger at Mike Pence for his decision to act as he did on January 6th by following what he believed to be his constitutional duty. I am not trying to revisit the issue of whether he was correct. However it is a fact that the advice he got from any number of conservative legal scholars (which he did consult by phone) was that he had no choice but to do what he did. So he followed what he believed to be the law and his conscience.

This one decision does not in my view invalidate Mike Pence's life time record of Conservative governance and Christian Service. What the decision DID do was virtually guarantee that he has no future in elective office or politics. And that's as it should be. i am glad of that. However I find it hard to say that he should be denied employment for life at any Christian or Conservative institution.

Pence's betrayal carried on long after the events of Jan. 6, especially during his campaign for the nomination.

I find it very hard to believe that anyone could use the words Pence and conservative in the same sentence.

He may be a Christian - but he certainly isn’t conservative in any demonstrable way

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:

He may be a Christian - but he certainly isn’t conservative in any demonstrable way

Mike Pence cast more tie breaking votes in the US Senate in support of Trump's agenda than any VP since 1870.
https://www.vox.com/2017/12/29...eak-republicans-2017

Mike Pence had one of the most conservative voting records in the US Congress. That's why Trump picked him. Through the years Trump held many views that were hardly conservative. On issue after issue, Pence voted with conservatives. Your issue with Pence is strictly what happened on January 6th. You are going to have a very hard time trying to find anything (other than his vote to certify the election which you don't like) where Pence voted with the liberals. Here are the facts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...itions_of_Mike_Pence

My post here is simply to suggest that if the College wants to hire Pence because of his conservative background, that's ok with me. That's it.

Fed161 has made a good point.

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This one decision does not in my view invalidate Mike Pence's life time record of Conservative governance and Christian Service. What the decision DID do was virtually guarantee that he has no future in elective office or politics. And that's as it should be. i am glad of that. However I find it hard to say that he should be denied employment for life at any Christian or Conservative institution.

That's right...
But since J6 he has doubled down on Trump and what I think was a weak man's decision that day.
Of course Grove City has every right to hire him if they want but Pence has largely made himself just an irrelevant footnote going forward.

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Originally posted by Fed161:
This one decision does not in my view invalidate Mike Pence's life time record of Conservative governance and Christian Service.

It is not just one decision. There were many, now that he showed his true colors, we're finding out and putting the pieces together. He was arguably one of the people in the WH who steered Trump wrong, "advised" on horrible decisions. He was responsible for bringing in Bill Barr, Gen. Milley and others. Pence was the man in charge of the Covid policy in the WH, unfortunately Trump trusted him with this task. Pence brought in Dr. Deborah Birx, and gave her control over U.S. policy on the lockdowns and masks. When pressure mounted to get rid of her, Pence stood his ground and kept her on regardless. And of course his behavior in regards to Jan. 6th was traitorous; two days before, he gave a rousing speech vowing to back-up Trump, the complete opposite of his betrayal later.

https://twitter.com/KanekoaThe...e-election-integrity


I see Pence as the trojan horse in the WH. He, along with Christie, Barr, Mattis, Kelly, and recently DeSantis and Haley, all used Trump and betrayed him completely. Trump trusted this asshole, and by the sounds of it, will not make the same mistake. Fuck Mike Pence.

Wow, tough crowd.

So if, say Desantis is the nominee in 2028 do you think he would be unworthy of your support? Desantis has a solid conservative record. I am more concerned with issues rather than personalities.

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Originally posted by Fed161:
So if, say Desantis is the nominee in 2028 do you think he would be unworthy of your support? Desantis has a solid conservative record. I am more concerned with issues rather than personalities.

You’ve made some good points, and I appreciate how you’ve articulated your perspective. Where we disagree is I find fault with your statement of “ Mike Pence is by any definition a Conservative.” Oddball summarized my feelings, which is that during & after COVID Pence became not a conservative but an authoritarian. That he has not apologized for siding with tyrants when the 2020 election was stolen is contributing rather than causal to my disdain for the man and opinion that he is unsuitable for molding young conservative Christian minds in a manner faithful to those philosophies.

I feel differently about DeSantis; I don’t think he should have run against Trump but he is a conservative and I will continue voting for him as my Governor.

You’re right many people feel betrayed by Pence for his actions after 6 Jan, and you’re also right that those actions alone shouldn’t prevent him from teaching a class at a conservative institution assuming that was a mistake in an otherwise orthodox conservative career. But I think you’ve misjudged the man and he’s solidly uniparty.

That said, I don’t truly know his heart and I could be wrong. Either way you’ve explained yourself well and I thank you for the conversation.

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Wow, tough crowd.

Yeah. SIGforum.

Thank you for your thoughtful and kind comments Arabiancowboy. I have generally backed off somewhat on expressing opinions on political matters. But once in a while I can't resist and I jump in. It's really refreshing to have a dialog that does not generate into something rediculus but rather is intelligent and fact based. I actually agree with you about the covid fiasco. I do think that was a low point for Pence and for Trump. That's why Trump never talks about it in his stump speeches. My own view is that government has always had a terrible record of changing course when presented with new facts. At the very beginning of the outbreak, my reading on the subject is the government was scared as shit that this could turn into some supervirus with a huge lethality rate. That was theoretically possible. But in short order it was clear that was not the case and a course correction was in order. True to form, with new facts instead af changing course, the government doubled down with the restrictions. I thought it was terrible, but par for the course.

Just as an aside, while nobody likes a "flip flopper" I have always thought that we can be too hard on some politicians who change their minds on policy issues, especially when presented with new facts. I really don't want to vote for any politician who is not willing to change their mind about anything. This is not one of Trump's faults.

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Pence was the man in charge of the Covid policy in the WH, unfortunately Trump trusted him with this task. Pence brought in Dr. Deborah Birx, and gave her control over U.S. policy on the lockdowns and masks. When pressure mounted to get rid of her, Pence stood his ground and kept her on regardless.

Yes. If anybody cost Trump the 2020 election (I still believe Trump won), it was Birx, and Pence is responsible for Birx.

There's a decent video about Birx in the Covid thread.

Here you go:

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Originally posted by chellim1:

Of course Grove City has every right to hire him if they want but Pence has largely made himself just an irrelevant footnote going forward.

He reminds me, in a way, of the Star Trek TNG episode "Tapestry." Capt. Picard was killed, given a chance to relive his life and make amends for what he thought was his biggest regret, but wound up pissing off all his friends and becoming a junior officer in a dull job. Unlike Picard who said he'd rather die than live that life and was restored, Pence will never redeem himself.

I’m okay with Pence. He doesn’t belong in politics. If the class room actually appeals to him, fine. But you know it will be an unsatisfying career move for him. Like an executive now serving fries and mopping the floors. It is far beneath where he’s been.