The police have the ability to enforce laws or not to enforce laws. You see it all the time.

These thugs are choosing to enforce the law.

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Originally posted by LoungeChair:
They are violating the restaurant’s rules and are trespassing. The violators were given the opportunity to leave without arrest and they decided to take the “patriot“ route.
They deserve zero sympathy.

What evidence do you have that the restaurant called the police on them? That's a very big assumption to make.

If the restaurant told them they may not enter without their papers and they seated themselves, that would be one thing as they are free to serve whoever they wish.

This was not a customer disturbance this is the mayor sending a message comply or I will make your life hell.

Funny how the residents overwhelmingly demanded tyranny and now cry foul when they get a good dose of it.

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
Explain, as I see zero correlation in your analogy.

Enforcing the mandate under authority of law does not equal a personal decision.

The statement I made is self-explanatory. I couldn't have been more clear. Their job is on the line just like the person whose job is on the line if they don't take the vaccine.

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Originally posted by Shaql:
The police have the ability to enforce laws or not to enforce laws. You see it all the time.

These thugs are choosing to enforce the law.

Exactly. Unless they are being issued daily quotas on this. Either way, what they are doing is immoral and unconstitutional, and they know it. I was in a similar dilemna 20 years back with what i thought was a decent 6-figure sales job. I was told to do something that was wrong and clearly unethical. I made my case to the Regional VP and was told to move forward or risk losing my job. I left 4 weeks later and never looked back. (took a pay cut initially) No regrets - but I did eventually hire a few people away from that employer who were also looking for an out. Company went bankrupt 3 years later and was acquired by a competitor.

Now I get it - these LEO's are in a very tight spot with their careers and employment, pensions,etc. So was I when I left. (30% pay cut) So why isn't the Union pushing back on this? Can they? The only way this shit succeeds is if the enforcers go along with it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again- New York state is no longer part of the United States. I do not recognize their sovereignty. I do not acknowledge them as part of our Union or as one of the stars on the American flag. The people in political power in that state are nothing but a bunch of slimey, lowlife commies, and that's being kind about it.

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Originally posted by Keystoner:

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
Explain, as I see zero correlation in your analogy.

Enforcing the mandate under authority of law does not equal a personal decision.

The statement I made is self-explanatory. I couldn't have been more clear. Their job is on the line just like the person whose job is on the line if they don't take the vaccine.

So there's no difference between taking a shot or not vs arresting someone who has not violated any law?

Mandate is not law, those people in uniforms are law enforcement officers.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by Keystoner:

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
Explain, as I see zero correlation in your analogy.

Enforcing the mandate under authority of law does not equal a personal decision.

The statement I made is self-explanatory. I couldn't have been more clear. Their job is on the line just like the person whose job is on the line if they don't take the vaccine.

So there's no difference between taking a shot or not vs arresting someone who has not violated any law?

Mandate is not law, those people in uniforms are law enforcement officers.

Where did I say anything contrary to what you just wrote?

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
Funny how the residents overwhelmingly demanded tyranny and now cry foul when they get a good dose of it.

Absolutely, commies gonna commie….

They wanted this, reap it.

No way would I arrest anyone over a mandate. When I was a LEO-I enforced the law.

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Being a retired LEO I never would have fathomed this happening. What happened to the oath of office, the pledge to protect the constitution? I am so pissed that the officers did not stand up and have their union stand up. If the union refuses to do anything, then go to the federation. Before unions we had a police federation for a five man Dept in Northern MN to stand against the Police Chief, who would order us to do things that were shady. The month I put in my resignation three of us quit. The practice of reading resignation letters at the city council meeting that was broadcasted over the radio changed with my resignation letter. There comes a time when a man needs to stand up for what is right and his principles.

These officers chose to just follow orders. Now maybe they hand picked these officers who are on board with these mandates. Can anyone see what’s coming next? Military checkpoints maybe?

Man, if we only had a big thread where you guys could just go nuts talking about COVID, and absolutely lose your minds about vaccines. You know, something with hundreds of pages that covers all things COVID.

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Originally posted by Keystoner:

Where did I say anything contrary to what you just wrote?

The part where you said just like the other person who's job is on the line.

If I choose to take the shot and keep my job, how many people end up in jail? How many with fines? How many with traumatized children will result? How many people will I cause to have criminal records?

It's not quite the same thing.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by Keystoner:

Where did I say anything contrary to what you just wrote?

The part where you said just like the other person who's job is on the line.

If I choose to take the shot and keep my job, how many people end up in jail? How many with fines? How many with traumatized children will result? How many people will I cause to have criminal records?

It's not quite the same thing.

Can you be a little more obtuse? It might help the flow of the discussion.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Man, if we only had a big thread where you guys could just go nuts talking about COVID, and absolutely lose your minds about vaccines. You know, something with hundreds of pages that covers all things COVID.

Interesting perspective.

I had thought of putting this in “The riots in America and the attempted overthrow of the United States“ thread.
COVID is just the method to deliver the overthrow with NYPD being used as the tool.

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Originally posted by architect:
OTOH, they undoubtedly swore an oath to uphold the law so the greater onus falls on the law makers.

A law was passed?

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Originally posted by LoungeChair:
They are violating the restaurant’s rules and are trespassing. The violators were given the opportunity to leave without arrest and they decided to take the “patriot“ route.
They deserve zero sympathy.

Wow. Well, at least it's clear what side you're on.

Our Governor whom in the past followed in the footsteps of Cuomo hasn't decreed that we have to wear masks again. Of course it might just be a little difficult for her to push this mandate due to her track record among other things of traveling to her vacation home during the stay at home orders of early 2020. Add to this the state Supreme Court handing her ass to her about overreach of emergency powers.

This article sums it up pretty good.https://townhall.com/tipsheet/landonmion/2021/10/26/shes-at-it-again-gov-whitmer-caught-maskless-at-dc-bar-in-violation-of-mandate-n2598027

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Originally posted by Keystoner:

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by Keystoner:

Where did I say anything contrary to what you just wrote?

The part where you said just like the other person who's job is on the line.

If I choose to take the shot and keep my job, how many people end up in jail? How many with fines? How many with traumatized children will result? How many people will I cause to have criminal records?

It's not quite the same thing.

Can you be a little more obtuse? It might help the flow of the discussion.

Whatever. Bow down to your government overlords.

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Originally posted by LoungeChair:
They are violating the restaurant’s rules and are trespassing. The violators were given the opportunity to leave without arrest and they decided to take the “patriot“ route.
They deserve zero sympathy.

WOW! Really? So you support what happened?

I would also assume the restaurant asked to see the papers so they were in compliance and not at risk of getting shut down. I doubt the LE came in and carded everyone. And I understand the restaurant owners' fears. I just wonder how many of the vaccine cards shown are real and how many are fake. I wouldn't hesitate to use a fake one to get served in a restaurant. Showing it to LE might be another story. But if I owned a restaurant I wouldn't question authenticity if it was a reasonable facsimile.

File this under “police will never go door to door enforcing unconstitutional laws and taking away your guns”.