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Get Off My Lawn |
Limbaugh stated it was not a leftist retelling of the events, but an accurate portrayal. As someone posted, this movie is not to sanitize Teddy. I might go see it if I have time, just to contribute dollars to this film. I'm actually amazed this got general release. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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I'm taking the wife out to see it opening weekend. From all accounts it is a truthful depiction of the events and not very flattering to ol' Ted and the Kennedy regime. | |||
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| I started with nothing, and still have most of it  |
I'm definitely going. Had read a couple months ago it was not a left-o hack job. "While not every Democrat is a horse thief, every horse thief is a Democrat." HORACE GREELEY | |||
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I think it was Dennis Leary that said "Ted Kennedy, great senator, bad date" | |||
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| Muzzle flash aficionado  |
I would disagree that he was a "great Senator". IMO, he was a lousy Senator and I despised him. The only smart thing he ever did was to NOT run for President, because he believed that someone would kill him. (I think he was right.) flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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What is interesting Hollywood voluntarily cut smoking from their films saying it might influence the young to smoke. But they scream first amendment when anyone says their filming movies and video games with gun violence would do the same thing and claim there's no evidence of that. I guess the smoking ban doesn't hurt their bottom line that much. | |||
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I was just quoting Dennis Leary, no agreeing with him  | |||
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I remember him being called the "Lifeguard of Chappaqiddick". The Kennedys were powerful then, today their just another wacko leftist family. | |||
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I wonder how many Kennedy THREATS they got to stay quiet? God's mercy: NOT getting what we deserve! God's grace: Getting what we DON'T deserve! "If the enemy is in range, so are you." - Infantry Journal Bob P239 40 S&W Endowment NRA Viet Nam '69-'70 | |||
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I knew that. I do seriously believe there was a group of individuals who were determined that there would not be another Kennedy President, though, and I think Teddy probably thought so, too. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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| No double standards |
I guess I have to irritations here. First, given the trademark Kennedy sexual behaviors, I am reasonably confident Teddy was dirtier here than the film will portray. Not that the film is being soft, rather, there are probably still some unknowns that would pile on even more dirt. Second, I am still curious at how many supposedly decent people minimize the sexual predatory nature of anything Kennedy and Clinton, but are so willing to amplify the crime if a conservative steps on a crack in the sidewalk. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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This movie must open some old wounds for the Kophecne family they may be part of the pressure put on to stop it's release. It's hard to put any shame on people that carry the self perceived stature of the likes of Kennedy's or the Clinton's. No one is more important than they are and no one else matters. I'm sure this whole episode was a major inconvenience for them from the stand point it needed to be dealt with to keep the dynasty moving forward. To them Ms. Kophecne was inconvenient collateral damage and an embarassment and never considered to be anything much more than that. I can't imagine the pain and anger the Kophecne family must have felt every time Teddy won another election, gave another speech or made the news because of some drunken escapade. "Fixed fortifications are monuments to mans stupidity" - George S. Patton | |||
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Hard to find on the internet but I lean toward the theory, that Kennedy was not in the car, when it went off the bridge. He had gotten out, when a police car passed them going in the opposite. He was afraid the cop was going to turn around and pull them and he didn't want to explain, where he was going with this young lady. He gets out, tells her he will call her in the morning. She drives off and unfamiliar with the area, eventually drives off the bridge. He swims back to his hotel and goes to bed unaware of what has happened until the next morning, when his cousin shows up and tells him what has happened. Prior to his cousin showing up, Kennedy displayed no evidence of being nervous or upset. Once it was known that he left the party in the company of a young woman, it was decided the best plan would be to portray him as heroically diving down several times to try and save her. That's the gist of the theory I read years ago. It's just a theory but I don't think even a sleazeball like a Kennedy would calmly go to bed aware that a young woman was in a car underwater and not report it. | |||
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Oh, I think he DID. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
Go to the show if you have to, but don’t pretend the scenes, conversations etc. actually occurred as depicted. It may be a plausible account, but won’t be the actual story. Real life is too dull, not nearly dramatic enough, for the movies, and nobody can produce a high fidelity version without transcripts, etc. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Where did you read that, in The Onion? | |||
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From what I've heard, the movie is brutal on Teddy. I also see it ends with a list of the legislation the Lion of the Senate pushed through. This brings to mind this mentality a few years back -- Jaws Drop: Huff-Po Wonders If Mary Jo Kopechne Would 'Feel It Was Worth It' If you go to this movie, I'd suggest walking out at that point. Set the controls for the heart of the Sun. | |||
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