The 6th says you have a right to face your accuser. Why all this bullshit about keeping the accuser from testifying? Would that alone negate the charge about Ukraine on Constitutional grounds? That is a fundamental and basic right.

They've never been big on the Constitution. It's disappointing and dismaying, but it's hardly a surprise at this point.

The impeachment inquiry is not a criminal matter. It's not even a court proceeding. I'm not sure it applies here.

Because it isn't convenient to their agenda.

Why would they let a pesky thing like the Constitution get in the way?

Maybe that George Mason fella was on to something.

6th Amendment:

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

Impeachment is not a criminal prosecution, it is a political act.

The trial in the Senate is not a "trial" in the sense that a criminal proceeding is a trial.

The impeachment and subsequent impeachment trial takes place in the House of Representatives and the Senate, not the "State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed."

Impeachment need not be for a crime, for example, it can be for breach of a duty, or abuse of power.

Double jeopardy does not apply; someone who is impeached and convicted can later be subject to indictment and criminal trial for the same conduct and set of facts.

The President can pardon a criminal sentence, or commute a criminal sentence, but can't pardon an impeachment or reinstate in office one who has been impeached and barred.

So, in short, the 6th doesn't apply to any part of the impeachment process. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but the Democrats aren't violating the Constitution by what they are doing. I believe, however, that they are committing a very serious political mistake in permitting their desire to damage the President override any sense of fairness in the process. I think that most ordinary voters will be seriously turned off by their tactics, and offended by their conduct.

The fact that impeachment is a political process does cut both ways. While you can get away with things you can't do in a criminal trial, you still must conduct the process in a way that the public perceives as transparent and fair, or they will reject the result.

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Impeachment is not a criminal prosecution, it is a political act.

Yes Sir.

Democrat's hate President Donald Trump. They would crawl thru mounds of fresh shit to get Trump impeached.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
The impeachment inquiry is not a criminal matter. It's not even a court proceeding. I'm not sure it applies here.

This is what I keep hearing. An impeachment is a "political matter." The normal rules of fair play do not apply.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
The impeachment inquiry is not a criminal matter. It's not even a court proceeding. I'm not sure it applies here.

It doesn't given its a political proceeding. But where it 'does' matter is with public support. If the process is blatantly unfair (which it has been) the public will not get behind it, and the Dem's will lose big time (which is what is happening).