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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
I’m not sure about the ability of mental health professionals to reliably identify those with mental health/personality issues that lead to violent problems. So far, the record is rather dismal at best. It would be ideal to be able to identify and isolate those folks. Keeping them from possessing guns, other weapons, has grave implications for Constitutional rights, not something we want to erode frivolously. What is the state of diagnosis? Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| The Ice Cream Man |
El Al has specially trained screeners, who, briefly, chat to passengers to weed out terrorists. It seems to be working well for them. (They may do other things, but I know they relied on that verbal screening at one time.) Something like that, might be an excellent idea, for high schools - both for dealing w. teen suicide, etc, as well as preventing shootings. | |||
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Does "bullying" now include Facebook discussions? A teacher giving a failing grade? Not sharing your lunch? It seems our schools have created some very fragile students who are going to have difficulty coping with the real world once they graduate. I'm guessing there is now a very low threshold for "bullying." | |||
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| It's not you, it's me.  |
Speaking as a former teacher, the thing is, you can usually spot these sorts of kids a mile away. There's always a ton of red flags when something is wrong with these kids. I could read the kids in my class very easily and could tell there was something "up" by there behavior. I'd always make sure to speak to a kid one on one to find out what the issue was...usually it's family stuff, I'd then pass it on to guidance to handle more thoroughly. But it's seriously not hard to spot a troubled kid, and yes, we used to joke that Billy has the makings of a school shooter etc...kids suck at hiding their emotions, and now we have the added benefit of looking at their social media, which helps. Maybe training more teachers to identify these kids proactively would be an option. But then you have to worry about the school coming down on the kid for posting a gun photo to social media. Here's a quick checklist teachers can use to help them ID a potential shooter: 1) Black Trench Coat 2) Doesn't play sports 3) Is weird as shit | |||
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| Too old to run, too mean to quit! |
Hell, the process, including the chemicals, was in my high school chemistry book! Not only that, but how to make "gun cotton" as well. The library had a number of books showing, detailing, how to make explosives! Had an emergency evacuation of the school one day. Seems some dipstick decided to test the info in the chemistry book and made a small amount of Nitro Glycerin! in chem class. Police took the vial down to the bridge, and very gently lowered into the water where it promptly disbursed. AIR, gun cotton is made very simply by soaking pure cotton with nitric acid. Or, how about Amfo? My uncle used 100s of pounds of it in his blasting operations. Diesel fuel and nitrogen based fertilizer. All this horse shit about outlawing guns to stop people from killing others is exactly that. Horse shit. Writing more asinine laws will not do shit! It is ALREADY against the law to kill or assault people. Don't see that working all that well. Check the UK and see how well that is working there. Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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| Big Stack |
Yes, but what would the false positive rate be, meaning how may of these 'troubled kids" actually do anything criminally actionable? 10:1 is probably low. 50:1 is likely the entry point, and it could go up from there. If you started trying to put a surveillance spotlight on every possible troubled kid, or even trying to put restrictions on them, how soon until their parents get lawyers and make this impossible, screaming that they're being discriminated against.
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| Big Stack |
Getting back to the arming teachers thing. There's at least one big problem, and likely more. But the biggest one is that only a very small percentage of teachers would be inclined to be armed. If you look at teachers as a demographic group, they tend to be much more female, liberal, and anti-gun than the population at large. I think finding enough who want to carry a gun to make a difference would be pretty tough. What's needed is more armed cops in the schools. | |||
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