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Originally posted by Powers77:

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Originally posted by 83v45magna:
Considering that there will be a sink nearby, shouldn't that be a GFCI to be up to code?

That said, I also have seen more than one hotel with a similar setup.

Agree w the GFCI. Personally I don't want my kitchen looking like one at the Residence Inn. Somewhat in the Contractors defense, the offending party is the lazy ass electrician who thought that would be accepted. Contractor should have caught it and made him fix it at rough inn stage.

How do you know that it isn’t GFCI protected? It could be down load of a GFCI receptacle, or the circuit might be on a GFCI breaker.

As mentioned, you’d need to see the framing to really know what’s going on. I doubt putting in the outlet box like that was easier for the electrician. There might be something in the wall on the same plane as the switch outlet that prevented it from going there. HVAC run or main stack vent, perhaps?

My guess is the switch is located where it is, based on a stud being available for the box to be mounted to with the appropriate amount of space between studs and framing for the door.

That looks goofy to me, makes me wonder what the studs look like under the sheetrock...

Correct me if I am wrong ... but it looks like the pocket door framing goes inside the wall that is alongside the toilet, and the wall with the outlet and switches is a regular stud wall.

If this is the case, then the outlet and switch boxes could of been easily properly located and spaced by adding additional studs where needed.

Is there going to be a side splash of some sort, and the sideways outlet will be just above it?

But it's relation to the switches L/R puzzles me.
I can see there being a reason if it's old work, less so for new construction. Unless it needs to be X inches from the corner by code.

I worked as an electrician for 11 years, but almost no new installation, mostly repairs on stuff from the early-mid 1960's. So I'm a great electrician 60 years ago.

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Originally posted by slosig:
I’d been told that new code is to put the outlets in “upside down” so the ground is on top instead of the hot and neutral.......

Unless they changed it within the last year, it wasn't part of NEC, but rather a recommendation, so not absolutely required.

Which version of NEC requires it?

I'd be much happier if they put in a single gang double switch and an outlet in the 2 gang box, and removed the existing outlet entirely.

That is a terrible installation.
That being said it IS in a closet aka enclosed area for connections (outlets) to a countertop so for that it could be worse.
Livable but not ideal.

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Originally posted by old dino:
Correct me if I am wrong ... but it looks like the pocket door framing goes inside the wall that is alongside the toilet, and the wall with the outlet and switches is a regular stud wall.

If this is the case, then the outlet and switch boxes could of been easily properly located and spaced by adding additional studs where needed.

^^ great observation ^^
Now that I see that ~ no doubt it played into it.
Having installed pocket doors my self the outlets can definitely be an issue.
I agree that the pocket door left little options although in my case (similar in a closed) I ended up widening from the inside to accommodate the switch.

This..



...but acknowledging the issues of space for pocket door, plus there might not be room in the box with 2 circuits going to it, etc. so, maybe it is what it is.

%100. I'd want it moved to be centered underneath the switches. Or Vertical to the left.

No. All my outlets are on the ceiling.

I do not think it would pass Code. Skins would know.

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Originally posted by slosig:
I’d been told that new code is to put the outlets in “upside down” so the ground is on top instead of the hot and neutral.

I don't have a new house. But in my house, only switched outlets are upside down. Easy to tell which are switched vs always on.

If it was clearance for the pocket door and a splash, it still could at least have been lined-up with the right or left edge of the switches.

For me it's not so much that it's a separate plate, or even that it's horizontal (though I don't care for that, either), but that the whole thing looks haphazard.

Never mind that dipsy doodle in the sheetrock above the outlet. What kind of craftsmanship has somebody painting that, that way, without correcting that, first?

This might be a framing issue

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
No. All my outlets are on the ceiling.

I do not think it would pass Code. Skins would know.

Ceiling outlets are common, for example to power an electric garage door opener, or an old-school TV projector.

^^^^^^^^
Good point

Yes, that would bother me, and I would have it fixed.

Anything that looks like a sore thumb when it is first done, is going to look like a sore thumb every time the homeowner looks at it. It will never get better with time.

When I was building homes (back in mid 90s), I would to walkthrough in all phases, and look at where plumping stub outs came up (pulling tape and checking where walls and fixtures, tubs, showers and such were going to be) through slab before pouring, at framing before plumbing and electrical work was roughed in, and after electricians, plumbers, low voltage, etc., were done.

All if this was to prevent such things as this image.

Having outlets in "worst place" and light switch(es) in the "middle of the wall" (less than an inch from door casing/trim, or more than 6 inches from outside corners) and have those corrected.

So, commodes are centered and located close to back wall.

Added blocking for towel bars, handrails, etc., and blocking around/over window framing to facilitate window treatments and various places that would be likely to hang heavy items around garage.

All noted on the "as built" plans that went into (completed) files, and copies provided to customer (including supply/sewer lines, and buried utility runs).

Attention to details made for very happy customers, and a lot of things, like the wood blocking was a no brainer, as so much if that would have ended up filling dumpsters as scrap. I had two guys as full time that did all the major clean up, and addressing small punch work so it was a matter of keeping "to do" lists and having them knock it out by priority.

(And yes, I did have a few incidents where subcontractors and I shared words, and a few never worked for me again)

But the customer was always pleased.

Field locate?

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I'd be much happier if they put in a single gang double switch and an outlet in the 2 gang box, and removed the existing outlet entirely.

If you want Decora, that all works in one 2-gang box too, including a GFCI outlet.

Our house in Maui was great, but whoever did the electric put switches at random distances from doorways, and it drove me nucking futz.

That bothers the OCD within me and would bug the shit out of me each time I saw it.

They should be aligned, SIDE BY SIDE in my opinion.

And I sure hope that hack GFI-protected that outlet?