Pats are gonna be tough to beat, no doubt.

As for Sean Payton, no love lost there. I’m glad he’s bellyaching over a blown call. The man was banned for a year because he knew about and covered up bounties on players. He should’ve been banned for life.

You guys are complaining about calls missed.

How about the play where to pass went thru Eddlemans hands for a pick? He got his head taken off.

Talk about a defenseless reciever.
No call :-/

Bob

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Originally posted by rbert0005:
You guys are complaining about calls missed.

How about the play where to pass went thru Eddlemans hands for a pick? He got his head taken off.

Talk about a defenseless reciever.
No call :-/

Bob

Yep, Eddleman got destroyed.

Pats fan here deep behind enemy lines in Upstate NY. That game had me on edge. Looking forward to the SB. Been a fan since the days of Plunkett and Vataha. :-)

I hope Tommy is holding up okay after that roughing the passer call. Good lord that was horrible.

What a horribly officiated game (in the Pats favor, again).

The NFL will be much better off when the Patriots ride off into asterisk-littered obscurity in a few years.

The AFC East is a joke and the Patriots are just lucky they’re in that poor division. Division titles basically mean nothing over there.

Okay I think I’ve released all of my bitterness now (I do this once a year).

And yes, the Seahawks should have ran the damn ball.

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Originally posted by rbert0005:
You guys are complaining about calls missed.

How about the play where to pass went thru Eddlemans hands for a pick? He got his head taken off.

Talk about a defenseless reciever.
No call :-/

Bob

I'm sorry, but nothing is going to top 3 Eagles (and only three Eagles) laying on a fumble against the Cowboys and the refs saying there was no clear possession after watching the video. League rules state if only one team is laying on it they get possession even if it isn't a clear recovery, but even after watching the video for a few minutes AND talking to league headquarters they gave it to the Cowboys. I don't want to hear anyone crying about officiating after that. This really has been the worst year I can remember though.

Apparently if you touch Brady’s shoulder pads, it’s a roughing the passer call. Pathetic.

Wrong

Brady gets a roughing the passer call roughly once every 250 drop backs

It’s middle of the road....it comes out like 18th in the league (I don’t remember the exact number from the article

In this day of metrics and sabremetrics espn and others have compiled all of these stats and studied all of these myths

It was a horrible call. He brushes his face mask and the ref threw the flag. It was a bad call. It was on 2nd and 7. Yes it gave the Patriots a first down. But by no means did it decide the game

There is no way the officiating in that game was heavily in the chiefs favor. Calls were missed on both sides. The play that springs Watkins down the sideline to the one was pretty much the exact play the patriots ran earlier and called for offensive PI. It’s a clear pick. Refs called it on the Pats, didn’t on the chiefs Questionable calls were made too (the last Jackson interference was ridiculous, especially after what they let the chiefs get away with on gronk)...wouldn’t have mattered because roughing was (correctly) called.

The Patriots were called for 6 penalties for 61 yards. The chiefs 4 for 28 yards.....but, sure, the refs clearly favored the Pats.

this narrative that Brady gets more roughing calls than everyone else is absolutely false, and is getting old

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Originally posted by ruger357:
Apparently if you touch Brady’s shoulder pads, it’s a roughing the passer call. Pathetic.

As a card carrying memeber of the Tom Brady fan club (and again, mostly because "Fuck the Rams and their bullshit exit from my city despite giving lip service if they would spend millions of tax dollars on them even though they were always going to leave..."

The only team I hate more than the Patriots, is the Rams..

So Come' On Tom Brady. I'm rooting for you. And also for Stan Kronke to fall into a ditch and break his back... and slowly starve to death while being eaten by coyotes... and fire ants...

I feel bad for the Saints except for the refs also missed an obvious face mask on Goff that *could* have meant 7 on that drive instead of 3, in which case the PI wouldn't have ended the game, and we can whatif it back and forth as much as we want except the Saints still lost it in overtime.

The Pats had a drive extended by a roughing call that shouldn't have been, but the Chiefs had it won if Dee Ford hadn't lined up offsides.

I guess that's all to say the refs played way too big a part in both games, but they can't take all the blame.

I read the roughing the passer rule, and had previously thought it applied only after the ball left the passers hand. There is one aspect that applies when the QB is in the throwing motion, that chopping the throwing arm isn't allowed. You can grab or grasp the arm as part of tackling, but you can't chop.

The motion was chopping, but didn't strike the throwing arm but seemingly incidentally post release. Whoever called the penalty has this aspect of the penalty as an out.

The timing of the penalties was what hurt the Chiefs. Two reviews were questionable: The Edleman muff on the punt grounder took likely at least 7 minutes before a conclusion, on a call that requires clear evidence to overturn. If it took that long to review, how clear is the evidence, and implies an agenda by the reviewers. Then a bobbled pass up the middle hits the ground and they confirm it as a catch.

I admit I can't surely see Edleman touch the ball on the called muff on the punt, and maybe he didn't touch it. But clear evidence to overturn the call on the field isn't apparent to me, but maybe it is by expert reviewers.

Another way the overturned muffed punt screwed the Chiefs is the ball spot. Since the call was a muff that was overturned, where do you spot the ball? That possibly was what took so long in the review. If it wasn't perceived as touched and picked up by a Chiefs player, the ball possibly trickles down near the goal line to be downed, Since the Chiefs player assumed a muff, he determined the spot when he picked it up.

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Originally posted by rbert0005:
You guys are complaining about calls missed.

How about the play where to pass went thru Eddlemans hands for a pick? He got his head taken off.

Talk about a defenseless reciever.
No call :-/

Bob

He wasn't a receiver at that point, he became a defensive player the moment the ball was caught by a Chief. That was a block.

As long as we’re questioning bias in officiating, what was up with the long “officials break” at the end of the Patriots/KC game to “verify the official game clock”?

Seemed like an extra time out for KC, when they were out, and needed one. All so the zebras could unhuddle, after Mahomes got his play all figured out, and declare “game clock is right”

I call shenanigans...

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Originally posted by feersum dreadnaught:
As long as we’re questioning bias in officiating, what was up with the long “officials break” at the end of the Patriots/KC game to “verify the official game clock”?

Seemed like an extra time out for KC, when they were out, and needed one. All so the zebras could unhuddle, after Mahomes got his play all figured out, and declare “game clock is right”

I call shenanigans...

This official's timeout didn't allow any planning by the defense? That was the second time in this game the officials did that.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
He should’ve been banned for life.

That's absolutely correct, the fact that he can still participate is a prime example of what is wrong with the NFL today.

I hope some people on here who don't like Bill Belichick and Tom Brady will remember they are both political conservatives who have taken a lot of grief from the left (including the Boston Globe) for supporting President Trump.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
... I’m glad he’s bellyaching over a blown call...

So are pretty much every Vikings fans right now. Listening to Saints fan bitch now is comical, after being told to just deal with it. It was a BS call but it couldn't have happened to a more deserving HC or fanbase.

From /r/minnesotavikings

"The head coach was suspended for a year.

The GM was suspended for half a year.

The assistant head coach was suspended for 6 games.

The defensive coordinator, who is living pile of shit, was suspended forever. (only to be overturned because the NFL is an old boys club).

Four players were suspended. Eventually Talgiabue overturned their suspensions (NOT because he disagreed with Goodell or believed them to be innocent, unlike what every Saints fan will erroneously tell you), because he felt that they shouldn't have to take the blame for something the COACHES ran and oversaw and let go AND continued to cover up every investigation. The cover up was part of the penalties. No one fucking gets that part.

I've never met a single Saints fan who admitted that Bountygate was real, that they were in the wrong, or made clear the fact that almost everyone eventually confessed to it. Nor have they admitted the bad ref calls were bad and why they won the game. The Minneapolis Miracle was not and will never be meaningless because it gave this organization and fanbase exactly what they deserved. Karma.

FTS."

Go PATS!

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Originally posted by pbslinger:

quote:

Originally posted by rbert0005:
You guys are complaining about calls missed.

How about the play where to pass went thru Eddlemans hands for a pick? He got his head taken off.

Talk about a defenseless reciever.
No call :-/

Bob

He wasn't a receiver at that point, he became a defensive player the moment the ball was caught by a Chief. That was a block.

How about unecessary roughness then.
Someone unloading on your face certainly falls into this catagory.

Bob

I don’t how much clearer it can be that Edelman didn’t touch that ball. Maybe the TV I’m watching it on is just clearer. In the moment when it happened I also jumped up and thought it touched him. But there are two angles that, when combined, show it absolutely did not touch. The NFL, now 2 days later, has said it absolutely did not touch him. Why? Because it didn’t touch him. It was damn close. And I can see why everyone (including me) thought it did. But it didn’t It’s irrelevant, because 2 plays later Brady threw a pick.

Speaking of which, there is video from a K.C. news station forwarded to the NFL that clearly shows someone lazing Brady in the face with a green laser the play before he threw that interception....classy. Good on the TV station for stepping up and doing the right thing

The catch by Hogan down the middle is incomplete last year. The new catch rules that the NFL has put in place in response to plays like the Steelers had at the goal line in 2017 against the Pats, and the famous Dez Bryant play have changed all of this. The ball can now contact the ground if the receiver maintains control and the ground doesn’t aid in the catch. The one Hogan caught one handed was absolutely a catch by the definition of the rule. FWIW, I also agree that the one near the sidelines that was initially ruled a catch and then overturned was also correct by the definition of the rules. It may be the pendulum on this rule has swung too far back after the criticism the league has gotten. But, again, the league agrees with both calls made on both of those completions/incompletions

Going into the Patriots final drive in regulation the Chiefs had been penalized twice for 8 yards

I concede the roughing call was a bad call. What I don’t concede is that it was made with some sort of agenda in mind, or because...Brady. The player definitely contacts his facemask..Brady moves his head suddenly probably became...well...a large arm just suddenly flew past his face....the ref made an assumption and threw the flag....I think it was a bad call. But again, if it isn’t made, it’s 3rd and 7....remind me again how the Cheifs’ Defense was doing against the Patriots on third down? Yes, we will never know, but to say that play bailed the patriots out somehow ignores what we saw them do the entire game on that down...


And then the final penalty is the Dee Ford offsides. I don’t know how to make this any clearer. Dee Ford said he was offsides. Andy Reid said Dee Ford was offsides. The whole world agrees Dee Ford was offsides. And you know why? Because Dee Ford was offsides.

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Originally posted by stiab:
I hope some people on here who don't like Bill Belichick and Tom Brady will remember they are both political conservatives who have taken a lot of grief from the left (including the Boston Globe) for supporting President Trump.

Also, the owner of the Rams, Stan Kroenke, donated a million dollars to Trump's inauguration fund.



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