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If you're using Realtor.com or Redfin to look for houses, do your due diligence in regards to researching safe neighborhoods; you can now depend on woke companies to hide crime info on the basis of "racial equity".

It's racist to not want to move in next to a gang member or sex predator.

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Two major real estate search engines nix crime data in racial equity push


DECEMBER 14, 2021 01:27 PM
BY ZACHARY HALASCHAK
Realtor.com has removed crime data from its website, and Redfin has decided not to add it out of concerns that it could perpetuate racial inequity.

David Doctorow, the CEO of Realtor.com, said in a company update this week that the crime map layer has been removed from all search results on the website “to rethink the safety information we share on Realtor.com and how we can best integrate it as part of a consumer’s home search experience.”

Doctorow said the removal was part of a company effort to “level the playing field” and scrutinize what safety means to buyers and renters so that it can “reimagine how we integrate safety data” on the platform. Realtor.com has been collaborating with fair housing advocates as part of the initiative.

“At this time of complexity in real estate, our team has been energized by our purpose to simplify real estate choices, especially for first-time homebuyers,” he wrote. “Yet we keep bumping up against one very old and persistent problem: the ability to afford and own a home can be unjustly limited by one’s race, ethnicity, or other personal characteristics.”

“As a relative newcomer to the real estate industry, I’ve been struck by how entrenched this problem is,” he continued. “Stories abound about Black, Hispanic and Asian homebuyers receiving unequal treatment, starting with their ability to see whatever homes they like, and continuing through to the appraisal and mortgage processes.”

On the same day that Realtor.com announced that it was removing its crime data, Redfin came out with a full-throated denunciation of crime data being included on real estate websites. Redfin’s chief growth officer Christian Taubman announced that, after consideration, the company would not be adding crime data to its own platform.

Taubman said that Redfin had been weighing whether to add information about crime because one of the metrics that consumers consider when looking for a home to purchase is how safe the area around that home is. The company concluded that available crime data doesn’t accurately answer that question, and “given the long history of redlining and racist housing covenants in the United States there’s too great a risk of this inaccuracy reinforcing racial bias.”

Redfin highlighted the difference between crime and safety and said that through its research, which included surveys, people defined safety in a variety of ways. Taubman said that the available data, namely the Uniform Crime Report from the FBI, pertains to reported crimes and excludes information about crimes that go unreported and crimes that go unsolved. He said that data at a neighborhood level could lead to high inaccuracy.

“The fact that most crimes are missing creates a real possibility that the crimes that show up in the data set skew one way or another,” Taubman wrote. “And the fact that most reported crimes go unsolved means that some of the crimes being reported in fact may not be crimes.”

In addition to the FBI’s metrics, Redfin also considered the National Crime Victimization Survey, which relies on interviews from tens of thousands of people annually and queries them about the frequency, characteristics, and consequences of criminal victimization across the country. Those who say they are victims of crime are also asked whether the crime was reported to law enforcement.

Taubman said that while the survey includes information on unreported crimes, because it is a survey, if respondents’ responses are racially biased, that bias would be reflected in the crime data.

“And there are troubling signs of this: in the 2019 survey, people reporting crimes were more likely to describe their offender as young, male, and Black than would be expected given the representation of those groups in the population,” he said.

The announcements by the two real estate search companies come amid other diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives in businesses across a wide spectrum of industries. Executives at major companies have been championing environmental, social, and political causes.

While some have praised the increasing tendency of companies to wade into the realm of public policy and social issues, others, particularly those who adhere to the primacy of shareholder capitalism versus stakeholder capitalism , say that it should be pared back.




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Wow man, wow.



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people reporting crimes were more likely to describe their offender as young, male, and Black than would be expected given the representation of those groups in the population,” he said.

There's something meaningful in that quote that seems to be eluding Redfin’s chief growth officer Christian Taubman.


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Do your own research. The info is out there.



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If I am looking to move into any area I:
Read the local paper and watch the local news. Wont take long for you to pinpoint high crime areas.
Talk to beat cops who work the area.
I cruise the area frequently, late at night.
For me, one of the dead give aways of a crappy neighborhood is junk cars.


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Originally posted by lkdr1989:
people reporting crimes were more likely to describe their offender as young, male, and Black than would be expected given the representation of those groups in the population,” he said.

There's something meaningful in that quote that seems to be eluding Redfin’s chief growth officer Christian Taubman.


Ya think? Because victims of violent crime lie all the time when they describe the perp to LE... yeah, right. News Flash! Most of the victims are black too!
 
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“At this time of complexity in real estate, our team has been energized by our purpose to simplify real estate choices, especially for first-time homebuyers,” he wrote. “Yet we keep bumping up against one very old and persistent problem: the ability to afford and own a home can be unjustly limited by one’s race, ethnicity, or other personal characteristics.”


They "other" personal characteristics they are referring to must be that you need to save for a down payment, have a reasonable credit history, and maintain a job.
 
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Originally posted by lkdr1989:
people reporting crimes were more likely to describe their offender as young, male, and Black than would be expected given the representation of those groups in the population,” he said.

There's something meaningful in that quote that seems to be eluding Redfin’s chief growth officer Christian Taubman.


Kinda like the way the same demographic exists for the prison population.

You don't suppose some demographics are more prone to being criminals than others?...
 
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I had a R license and got it just when rates hit 18%. Talk about bad timing.

Researching a neighborhood for it's crime rate isn't hard and other links are better. The sex offender list is available online, it's suppose to limit proximity to schools and the individuals may be required to post notification for Halloween, etc.

That's just one aspect. Look for the number of rental properties, that tells you a lot more. It's an older suburban district, the inheriting children no longer sell, they rent, and for the most part, do not upgrade. One visual clue is the different mix of cars you see, retirees vs under 30. Another is whether younger people walk down the middle of the streets rather than the sidewalk. It's not in and of itself a bad thing - they are avoiding the sudden barking when next to the fence on the front lawn from a family dog. Another clue - fencing to keep family dogs in and teens wandering thru the hood out. If its adopting the chain link ghetto or pizza fence look, be aware.Racetracks just inside the fencing are another clue to the size of the dog, along with the breed of those being walked thru the neighborhood.

Is there graffiti down the alleyway fencing, or alleys at all? Are they paved? Look for broken windows in storage buildings along the routes children walk to school, or in older cars stored in the backyards. Communities are now requiring hidden storage to get that old clunker out of sight. Other items taking up a lot of lawn space are another tell, and handicap ramps added in prominent ways yet in poor condition do, too. The property may be rented because there are rent supplements. Obviously folks stuck in a wheelchair aren't participating in high crime and misdemeanors, it's the other renters in close proximity who also picked a depressed valuation neighborhood who are the issue.

Larger homes with separate staircases externally tell you the owner chopped it up for apartments and the overall value as a property is now impacted by it's non original condition. Think twice about grabbing one of those bargains unless you are trade rated for extensive and expensive remodeling. I grew up in one of those in a depressed neighborhood. Good times, it's still not appreciating. Similar homes one mile away still go for double. The one I sold 20 years ago hasn't broken $100k, and neither will mine today. This area overall attracts out of towners from the coasts who can bank half of their sold home price and acquire a larger one here.

The rule still is, Location Location Location. In an older area, do rail tracks run thru or circle it? Redlining was the term in the day, a block away in a "better" neighborhood prices are up and behavior may be proven to be less actionable. Listen to the older residents to find out what is really happening, if relatives or friends live near there they may be open to discussion.

Be aware of the neighborhoods local name and research it in the news, if new owners are accused of "gentrifying" it that means they are buying the older homes and fixing them up - which is viewed politically as a "bad" thing when the previous residents are being forced out of rentals they were getting less expensively and moving into other locations. A lot of times as a metro matures it puts in roadways to improve traffic flow, but the existence of a ring road/bypass is the new redlining - inside is the metro, outside are the suburbs.

I moved out of my metro because of these new financial and social influences, and now traveling to the coasts on vacation I have seen how they operate on both the Atlantic and Gulf coasts. All my older homes and locations I lived in are not (yet) achieving any popularity or gentrification. There is a "life cycle" of residents in neighborhoods due to socio economic means and if you have a eye for the signs you can tell if it's suitable. The biggest influence of all is a nationwide decline of the middle class - it's driving down value in their neighborhoods and taking out a lot of upgrading or progression in home ownership from the directly related decline in disposable income.
 
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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Do your own research. The info is out there.


This!!! Just like you don't seek Dr. Google's advice for your health issues, or do you? lol
 
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Years ago, our realtor told us they were legally prohibited from letting us know which were the 'good' and 'bad' neighborhoods.

Same concept here - somehow, warning us away from a crappy neighborhood is 'racist.'. .



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Too bad they aren't liable for endangering their customers.
 
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Years ago, our realtor told us they were legally prohibited from letting us know which were the 'good' and 'bad' neighborhoods.

Same concept here - somehow, warning us away from a crappy neighborhood is 'racist.'. .


And the Realtors had another practice called "Redlining" to help keep neighborhoods safe.

That got shot down big time by lawmakers.
 
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Too bad they aren't liable for endangering their customers.


You want to hold them liable for following the rules they have to follow to keep their license? It’s true they can’t say good or bad but they inform their clients pretty easily. They point the clients to sources of info on the neighborhood and make it clear which areas have lower home prices. It’s not hard to figure out.

Regarding the article, I’ve read it a couple times and the racial equity part still confuses me. I can’t understand how a minority buyer would be at a disadvantage over crime stats. Or are they implying minority areas have more crime stats. If that’s the case then redfin and realtor are racist.




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I had a R license and got it just when rates hit 18%. Talk about bad timing.

Researching a neighborhood for it's crime rate isn't hard and other links are better. The sex offender list is available online, it's suppose to limit proximity to schools and the individuals may be required to post notification for Halloween, etc.

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Those are very good points to consider, Tirod. Thank you.
 
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Hiding the crime stats in the name of racial disparity???

Did Realtor/Redfin list the crime stats by race? It seems to me they are actually furthering racial stereotypes by assuming crime is linked to a specific race.


 
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