Colleges struggle over defending or curbing free speech

September 02, 2017, 10:31 AM

JALLEN

Maybe they ought to think what happens when they have an auditorim full of lay abouts with tenure and no students filling out loan forms to fund that.

Decades ago, the worry was having enough facilities and faculty to handle the crush of deserving students clamoring for education.

Now it isn't!

Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown

September 02, 2017, 10:48 AM

Gustofer

quote:
Originally posted by JALLEN:
Maybe they ought to think what happens when they have an auditorim full of lay abouts with tenure and no students filling out loan forms to fund that.

Decades ago, the worry was having enough facilities and faculty to handle the crush of deserving students clamoring for education.

Now it isn't!

The University of Montana has been going through just that. Declining enrollment and a bunch of professors with nothing to do. Of course, the screaming started right about the time layoffs were announced.

I don't often agree with UM on anything, but was happy to see them doing the right thing.

September 02, 2017, 10:58 AM

bigdeal

Stick a fork in the University of Missouri. They're finished. Doubling down on stupid never ends well.

I said it a few days ago in another thread. This is an entire generation of utterly worthless morons.

September 02, 2017, 12:28 PM

Sig209

how is this even a question?

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September 02, 2017, 12:53 PM

LDD

This is what happens when you drink so much of your own Koolaid that you forget that higher education is a business.

Students know--they know all about student debt. So if you're going to give up 100-300K and the next four years of your life, wouldn't you want a say in where you are going to go? Higher Ed tries to pretend that when you interview with them during the application process, they they are screening you. It's actually the other way around. You're the customer!

If Higher Ed doesn't offer the experience that prospective students want, the same thing will happen to them that happens to businesses from burger shops to resorts that fail the same econonmic test.

Entertaining the idea of a day when no white people are allowed on campus is basically giving the biggest demographic of your customers a huge middle finger. And education is generally paid up front, so you're threatening to take their money and send them home for a day, with nothing to show for their investment. Who is going to think that's a good deal?

How else could this have turned out?

September 02, 2017, 01:59 PM

Sigmanic

quote:
Originally posted by LDD:
This is what happens when you drink so much of your own Koolaid that you forget that higher education is a business.

Students know--they know all about student debt. So if you're going to give up 100-300K and the next four years of your life, wouldn't you want a say in where you are going to go? Higher Ed tries to pretend that when you interview with them during the application process, they they are screening you. It's actually the other way around. You're the customer!

If Higher Ed doesn't offer the experience that prospective students want, the same thing will happen to them that happens to businesses from burger shops to resorts that fail the same econonmic test.

Entertaining the idea of a day when no white people are allowed on campus is basically giving the biggest demographic of your customers a huge middle finger. And education is generally paid up front, so you're threatening to take their money and send them home for a day, with nothing to show for their investment. Who is going to think that's a good deal?

How else could this have turned out?

Yes - and very well said! For "institutions of higher learning", they sure do some monumentally stupid things. I'm sooo glad that customers are providing them with some necessary feedback on their business models.