In days past, it was a requirement to take at least once, sometimes twice a year, what they called a "lifestyle" polygraph to retain a TS/SCI clearance. Part of that test was to ascertain whether you could be fodder for blackmail, and included questions regarding fidelity and personal habits, do they not do that anymore?

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
In days past, it was a requirement to take at least once, sometimes twice a year, what they called a "lifestyle" polygraph to retain a TS/SCI clearance. Part of that test was to ascertain whether you could be fodder for blackmail, and included questions regarding fidelity and personal habits, do they not do that anymore?

I thought about that too, especially with CIA Director Brennan. I'm sure there were/are many Trump haters in both agencies, supervisors may have waived the polygraph or ensured a fellow Trump hater was admistering the exam.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
In days past, it was a requirement to take at least once, sometimes twice a year, what they called a "lifestyle" polygraph to retain a TS/SCI clearance. Part of that test was to ascertain whether you could be fodder for blackmail, and included questions regarding fidelity and personal habits, do they not do that anymore?

They don't flutter for all TS/SCI-only for special access programs and some designated high threat positions, and some random picks here and there.

Paige's behavior, from screwing Strozk to participating in the email string and whatever else she might have participated in proves my point once again about a large majority of the government workforce.

They are not elite.
They are not brilliant.
They are not ethical.
They are not moral.
They are not trustworthy.
They have no character.

We 'do not' have the cream of any crop working in government. What we have in large part is a workforce that needs to be fired asap, and prevented from ever working in government again.

The periodic review requirements vary from agency to agency. DoD didn't typically require polygraph.

There was always at least yearly security training. Basically the same material year after year.

If an incident happened, special training was required for everybody. Mandatory training w logs to document attendance. There were years where training was held every few months.

One thing that got emphasized more over time was the requirement to report anyone you worked with who exhibited characteristics of something wrong. Things like extravagant lifestyle not compatible w salary.

We know now that Strzok's wife found out about the affair because she examined Peter Strzok's phone. She threatened to hire a private investigator.

I’m more optimistic that Barr / Durham may yet exact some must needed justice

Leaked Report: AG Bill Barr Refutes IG Horowitz’s Conclusion that FBI had Rationale to Spy on Trump Campaign

Deep State operatives, Democrats and their far left media are working feverishly to diffuse the effect of the momentous report before its release.

According to the Washington Post Barr does not agree with IG that the Obama deep state had justification to spy on the Trump campaign and Trump Transition Team in 2016.

Barr may include a formal letter in the report or may publicly state his concern.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...y-on-trump-campaign/

The Washington Post reported:

Attorney General William Barr has told associates he disagrees with the Justice Department’s inspector general on one of the key findings in an upcoming report – that the FBI had enough information in July 2016 to justify launching an investigation into members of the Trump campaign, according to people familiar with the matter.

The Justice Department’s inspector general, Michael Horowitz, is due to release his long-awaited findings in a week, but behind the scenes at the Justice Department, disagreement has surfaced about one of Horowitz’s central conclusions on the origins of the Russia investigation. The discord could be the prelude to a major fissure within federal law enforcement on the controversial question of investigating a presidential campaign.

Barr has not been swayed by Horowitz’s rationale for concluding that the FBI had sufficient basis to open an investigation on July 31, 2016, these people said.

Barr’s public defenses of President Donald Trump, including his assertion that intelligence agents spied on the Trump campaign, have led Democrats to accuse him of acting like the president’s personal attorney and eroding the independence of the Justice Department. But Trump and his Republican Barr’s public defenses of President Donald Trump, including his assertion that intelligence agents spied on the Trump campaign, have led Democrats to accuse him of acting like the president’s personal attorney and eroding the independence of the Justice Department. But Trump and his Republican allies have cheered Barr’s skepticism of the Russia investigation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...9641c6ff7_story.html

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Originally posted by feersum dreadnaught:
I’m more optimistic that Barr / Durham may yet exact some must needed justice

Yeah, Barr so far has come across as the real deal and the right man for that job. Though Horowitz--an Obama appointee by the way--sounds like a quintessential deep state rat, this news actually gives me hope with regards to the comments from Barr.

I'm actually hoping; that some of these 'deep-state' assholes will; one-day, don the orange-jumpsuits in a federal lock-up. So now, Lisa Page professes to come-out, and speak. Really? Seems like everything she needed-to-say, was all in those mushy 'texts' she fired-off, and sent to that other asshole Strzok. Remember: none of these rotten bums cared who they railroaded for made-up, phony crimes.

Put her under oath in front of a Congressional committee. Let her defend her actions there instead of via the press. When she perjers herself, toss her in jail.

I so want to see Strzok convicted.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
In days past, it was a requirement to take at least once, sometimes twice a year, what they called a "lifestyle" polygraph to retain a TS/SCI clearance. Part of that test was to ascertain whether you could be fodder for blackmail, and included questions regarding fidelity and personal habits, do they not do that anymore?

No, it hasn't been that way for at least 25 years, maybe more.

There are lifestyle polys for extremely sensitive positions, but most are more basic polys for some specific things.

But Mark 1 Mod 0 TS/SCI doesn't require one, much less reoccurring.

Didn’t John Walker take multiple polygraphs?
They’re worthless.

Aldrich Ames passed a polygraph exam while actively spying for the KGB.

I had a fair amount of experience with the devices and their results during my career and I learned how unreliable they can be. Examiners themselves know that as demonstrated by the fact that some examinees are asked if they did any research on how to beat them; if it wasn’t possible, such a question would be unnecessary.

They are of some value in criminal investigations, but they should be banned for preemployment and security screening fishing purposes.

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Originally posted by feersum dreadnaught:
I’m more optimistic that Barr / Durham may yet exact some must needed justice

Leaked Report: AG Bill Barr Refutes IG Horowitz’s Conclusion that FBI had Rationale to Spy on Trump Campaign

Deep State operatives, Democrats and their far left media are working feverishly to diffuse the effect of the momentous report before its release.

According to the Washington Post Barr does not agree with IG that the Obama deep state had justification to spy on the Trump campaign and Trump Transition Team in 2016.

Barr may include a formal letter in the report or may publicly state his concern.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...y-on-trump-campaign/

The Washington Post reported:

Attorney General William Barr has told associates he disagrees with the Justice Department’s inspector general on one of the key findings in an upcoming report – that the FBI had enough information in July 2016 to justify launching an investigation into members of the Trump campaign, according to people familiar with the matter.

The Justice Department’s inspector general, Michael Horowitz, is due to release his long-awaited findings in a week, but behind the scenes at the Justice Department, disagreement has surfaced about one of Horowitz’s central conclusions on the origins of the Russia investigation. The discord could be the prelude to a major fissure within federal law enforcement on the controversial question of investigating a presidential campaign.

Barr has not been swayed by Horowitz’s rationale for concluding that the FBI had sufficient basis to open an investigation on July 31, 2016, these people said.

Barr’s public defenses of President Donald Trump, including his assertion that intelligence agents spied on the Trump campaign, have led Democrats to accuse him of acting like the president’s personal attorney and eroding the independence of the Justice Department. But Trump and his Republican Barr’s public defenses of President Donald Trump, including his assertion that intelligence agents spied on the Trump campaign, have led Democrats to accuse him of acting like the president’s personal attorney and eroding the independence of the Justice Department. But Trump and his Republican allies have cheered Barr’s skepticism of the Russia investigation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...9641c6ff7_story.html

I'm EXTREMELY skeptical of anything from the Washington Post.

I would never submit myself to a polygraph. It proves or disproves nothing. They are non admissible in courts for a reason. If you fail it only serves to assure law enforcement you are guilty. If you pass it does not exonerate you of anything law enforcement just thinks you somehow beat it.

Two separate issues in this post

#1
DoJ IG Horowitz doesn't have authority to investigate outside of DoJ. (FBI falls under DoJ)

So it is unlikely we will hear anything in his report regarding CIA

#2
The Fusion GPS story gets even more bizarre

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...or-russian-oligarch/

In the new book by Fusion GPS, they write that Christopher Steele hired them, before they hired him.

Fusion GPS, the opposition research firm behind the infamous “pee dossier” on then-presidential candidate Donald Trump, was first hired by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele to obtain damaging information on Paul Manafort — weeks before the firm hired him to produce his now-discredited, conspiracy-weaving dossier.

“Weeks before Trump tapped Manafort to run his campaign, Christopher Steele had hired Fusion for help investigating Manafort,” write Fritsch and Simpson. “The matter had nothing to do with politics and was a typical commercial assignment.”

The Fusion GPS co-founders say their firm cut a nominal agreement to “research Manafort’s finances” for a client of Steele

That client was Oleg Deripaska, an oligarch and close ally of Putin

“[Christopher Steele] did not disclose the ultimate client for the job, and Fusion didn’t press the issue,” claim the Fusion GSP co-founders.

American Greatness notes of the Fusion GPS-Steele deal: “That means Glenn Simpson represented not one but two Russian tycoons in 2016: At the same time Fusion was helping Steele on behalf of Deripaska, Simpson also was representing Prevezon, another company owned by a Putin-tied Russian also under investigation by the Justice Department for money laundering.”

Notably, a timeline of events shows Fusion GPS’s investigation into Manafort occurred while they sought dirt on the 2016 Trump campaign.

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So while the "dossier" was being fabricated:

- Steele was a confidential human source for the FBI

- Fusion GPS was working for Steele to gather info for Oleg Deripaska

- Steele worked for Fusion GPS to fabricate "opposition research" for the Clinton campaign

So does this mean that the Russian Oleg Deripaska funded part of the dossier against Doanld Trump ? Did the FBI fund part of the dossier ?

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Originally posted by KMitch200:
Didn’t John Walker take multiple polygraphs?
They’re worthless.

I don't know that Walker underwent periodic polygraphs-I had not heard that. He was not in a position that would normally have been tested. When his wife and daughter reported his treason, the FBI polygraphed them to verify the veracity of their stories and used that in part to obtain warrants.

Tomorrow we are expected to see the DoJ IG report on the investigation into the Carter Page FISA warrants.

This article is a good warm up to put general things in perspective. A good background summary

https://www.realclearpolitics....g_report_141892.html

Bill Barr's Reservations About the IG Report

The Justice Department’s inspector general is expected to announce later this week that while the FBI acted unprofessionally, it had sufficient basis to investigate members of Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign. Russia, after all, was interfering in the election and law enforcement needed to get to the bottom of it.


It has been reported that Attorney General William Barr disagrees with this conclusion, based in part on U.S. Attorney John Durham’s criminal investigation into the origins of the Russia probe. The IG performed a limited in-house review that could not explore the larger questions of alleged Russian interference. Durham’s inquiry, in contrast, has authority to investigate whether the Russia saga was a false flag operation launched by the Democratic National Committee, using the CIA and friendly governments around the world, particularly the Western puppet in Ukraine.

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CTH reporting that the DoJ IG report will be posted at:

https://oig.justice.gov/

Sometime today about 1pm ET

rumored to be over 600 pages, maybe as much as 1,000 pages

NYT reporting that AG Barr approved declassifying some info on Christopher Steele.

"Mr. Steele was given no details about the information itself, nor was he told how it would affect the report’s portrayal of him"

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/1...-steele-dossier.html

"Mr. Steele has made clear to associates that he considered the dossier to be a starting point for further investigation, not established facts "

really ? so why was Steele leaking the dossier to all the media to publish w/o direct attribution to him ? Steele didn't want the dossier released to the public. He wanted all the dossier info to be spread across media sources and to appear as if multiple media were independently reporting the material

"It has grown clear in the years since Mr. Steele compiled his dossier that while many Trump aides welcomed contacts with Russians, some of its most sensational claims appeared to be false or were impossible to prove."

How about that none of the claims of Russia/Trump campaign collusion were shown to be true. Look how the NYT words it. "appeared to be false" "impossible to prove" What a distorted view, intended to deceive.

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The IG performed a limited in-house review that could not explore the larger questions of alleged Russian interference.

Yep... as you point out above:
DoJ IG Horowitz doesn't have authority to investigate outside of DoJ. (FBI falls under DoJ)

And apparently only active employees of DoJ? So, Comey and McCabe etc. not investigated?