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Originally posted by flashguy:

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Originally posted by PASig:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by FenderBender:
We shall see how it goes, not much we can do.

The hell you say.
Get out and vote on 11/6
flashguy

If you don’t vote, you don’t get to complain.

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Originally posted by flashguy:

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by FenderBender:
We shall see how it goes, not much we can do.

The hell you say.

Get out and vote on 11/6

NO DEMOCRATS, EVER.

I think FenderBender was meaning there wasn't much we can do RIGHT NOW--I'm sure he plans to vote (as do I).

flashguy

I 100% intend to vote, even with all that entails(another topic entirely*).

Our President, was elected by the mechanism we've employed to avoid the tyranny of the majority. Now the legitimacy of the votes for Clinton in the popularity contest aside there sure were a lot of them that didn't count. I'm not attacking our electoral college mind you, once you understand how it works it's truly a marvel of modern civics.

additionally yes, there are always going to be a handful of ballots that hang on a single vote, but the vast majority of them it's usually a sizable margin. If you're on the losing side you vote didn't matter at all, and unless your part of that margin of victory, your vote doesn't matter either, as all votes effectively cancel one another out.

Writ large you are absolutely correct Fenris that is how you lose elections, but this only counts on the individual scale. Perhaps said more eloquently, no individual vote matters, only in aggregate does they really count.

*by voting at all you're consenting to be governed, no matter who wins. So when people say "Well, I didn't vote for him!" It's irreverent you chose to play the game. The only people who truly have a right to gripe are the people who have to follow the rules of the game even when they choose to not participate; by not voting.

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A few weeks before the 2018 Election, polls show a distinct Democratic advantage.

Horseshit. Polls are propaganda tools for media outlets.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
FenderBender is family. Let's be cool.

Oh, I'm not attacking FenderBender personally, just calling out the ideas he posted. At least that was not my intent.

From time to time, I have certainly been told by other members when I was suffering from rectal-cranial inversion. Sometimes, they were even right. Not often mind you. But sometimes.

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Originally posted by FenderBender:
*by voting at all you're consenting to be governed, no matter who wins. So when people say "Well, I didn't vote for him!" It's irreverent you chose to play the game. The only people who truly have a right to gripe are the people who have to follow the rules of the game even when they choose to not participate; by not voting.

By not participating, you are declining to try and push the needle toward a better outcome. Which is a form of participation. And arguably renders you less righteous in your complaints. That would be sitting down in the outfield all game because no one ever hits the ball out there, and then complaining when your team loses.

What was that old song, "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

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Originally posted by Fenris:

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Originally posted by FenderBender:
*by voting at all you're consenting to be governed, no matter who wins. So when people say "Well, I didn't vote for him!" It's irreverent you chose to play the game. The only people who truly have a right to gripe are the people who have to follow the rules of the game even when they choose to not participate; by not voting.

By not participating, you are declining to try and push the needle toward a better outcome. Which is a form of participation. And arguably renders you less righteous in your complaints. That would be sitting down in the outfield all game because no one ever hits the ball out there, and then complaining when your team loses.

What was that old song, "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

Here is a better analogy. two teams show up to play baseball in the park. You hate baseball, so you've got no interest in playing, nor are you on either team. Regardless, you're forced at gunpoint to show up for the victory parade of whomever won. That person is the most right in their indignation, they're associated with the whole thing against their will.

I can't imagine a single member on this board NOT voting...

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Originally posted by downtownv:
I can't imagine a single member on this board NOT voting...

Could you possibly put a line between your posts and your ad? It's hard to tell where your post ends and the ad begins.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by FenderBender:
We shall see how it goes, not much we can do.

The hell you say.

Get out and vote on 11/6

NO DEMOCRATS, EVER.

No. Democrats. Ever.

Not on any level, Federal, State or local.

I will never vote for a Democrat again for anything.
On every level and every one of them - may they burn in Hell.

Probably read by many on this forum, but a timely reminder anyway:

Once upon a time, there was an old man who used to go to the ocean to do his writing.He had a habit of walking on the beach every morning before he began his work. Early one morning, he was walking along the shore after a big storm had passed and found the vast beach littered with starfish as far as the eye could see, stretching in both directions. 

Off in the distance, the old man noticed a small boy approaching.  As the boy walked, he paused every so often and as he grew closer, the man could see that he was occasionally bending down to pick up an object and throw it into the sea.  The boy came closer still and the man called out, “Good morning!  May I ask what it is that you are doing?”

The young boy paused, looked up, and replied “Throwing starfish into the ocean. The tide has washed them up onto the beach and they can’t return to the sea by themselves,” the youth replied. “When the sun gets high, they will die, unless I throw them back into the water.”

The old man replied, “But there must be tens of thousands of starfish on this beach. I’m afraid you won’t really be able to make much of a difference.”

The boy bent down, picked up yet another starfish and threw it as far as he could into the ocean. Then he turned, smiled and said, “It made a difference to that one!”

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That boy was NOT a defeatist! I'd be proud of a boy like that. Thanks for the post.