"The House passed the Choice in Automobile Retail Sales Act, aiming to block an EPA rule seen as a backdoor mandate for electric vehicles".

More at the link...

House Votes to Strike Down Biden's 'EV Mandate' as 5 Democrats Side with Republican - State of the Union (stateofunion.org)

Good!

And I own an EV. Government needs to stop forcing this on us.

The charging infrastructure is nowhere near sufficient for the EV’s currently on the road.

Good.

Now those oxygen thieves need to get their crap together and thwart the kill switch nonsense.

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Originally posted by PR64:
Government needs to stop forcing this on us.

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Originally posted by tigereye313:
Now those oxygen thieves need to get their crap together and thwart the kill switch nonsense.

Amen, brothers!

Time to end this foolishment

Having been in the dealership side of the automotive business since 1970 I remember the changes the government forced upon automakers in the early 1970’s.

Automakers were begging for relief, asking for more time to no avail. The 1971-72 model year cars and trucks had a sudden decrease in miles per gallon together with a large increase in nitrous oxide emissions as a result changes in compression ratios, cam timing. Another casualty of the new at the time EPA standards were larger displacement engines in an attempt to regain some of the performance lost with the earlier internal changes.

Certainly the automakers cried “wolf” back then but the old “three sides to every story” kicks in, somewhere in the middle is the truth.

And with EV’s we are not ready. The line “We’re building charging stations” rings hollow until they are seamlessly available in all rural,and urban areas. Kind of like The line “Use an app for internet radio” while driving. I’m in a county that’s 40 miles from four major cities in any direction and we have many dead spots with no coverage.

From the Whitehouse:

"If the President were presented with H.R. 4468, he would veto it.“

Link

^^^^^
All you gotta do is follow the money.

Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” - Matthew 19:23-24

will they have the balls to override the veto?

or is this just another 'show' movement to give the appearance of doing something

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
will they have the balls to override the veto?

or is this just another 'show' movement to give the appearance of doing something

Probably the balls but not the votes.

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Probably the balls but not the votes.

A veto can only be overridden by a two-thirds vote in both the Senate and the House.

Not gonna happen.

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Originally posted by PR64:
Good!
The charging infrastructure is nowhere near sufficient for the EV’s currently on the road.

My rather large county has one charger that I know of, about 15 miles away. Then a few more about 30 miles away. Next closest is a few about 45 miles distant. "Range anxiety" so they call it. Except I don't have an EV.

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Originally posted by signewt:

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Originally posted by PR64:
Good!
The charging infrastructure is nowhere near sufficient for the EV’s currently on the road.

My rather large county has one charger that I know of, about 15 miles away. Then a few more about 30 miles away. Next closest is a few about 45 miles distant. "Range anxiety" so they call it. Except I don't have an EV.

If you don't have a garage and a charger at home you really have no business buying an EV. That's a lot of people.

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Originally posted by synthplayer:
The government's push of EVs is so transparent. They have some of the people fooled with the argument, "EVs are better for the environment." How are they better???

With ICE vehicles, fossil fuels are used in the form of gasoline or diesel.

With EVs, fossil fuels are used to run the power plants that are required to re-charge the batteries.

Either way, fossil fuels are required.

So, the argument that EVs are better for the environment is moot.

They will say solar and wind which is happening more and more but that's no free lunch either.

The one thing I do like about it is that each country can create their own power with wind and solar. Not every country has enough oil which then creates a reason for war so that might stop a few more senseless wars in the future.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
If you don't have a garage and a charger at home you really have no business buying an EV. That's a lot of people.

Think of the thousands and THOUSANDS of people that live in apartments.

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Originally posted by synthplayer:
The government's push of EVs is so transparent. They have some of the people fooled with the argument, "EVs are better for the environment." How are they better???

With ICE vehicles, fossil fuels are used in the form of gasoline or diesel.

With EVs, fossil fuels are used to run the power plants that are required to re-charge the batteries.

Either way, fossil fuels are required.

So, the argument that EVs are better for the environment is moot.

Not to mention the EXTREME pollution the batteries will cause when they reach EOL. What is Greta gonna do with those?? Can't bury 'em. Mo' money, mo' money......$$$$$$$$

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Originally posted by 1s1k:

If you don't have a garage and a charger at home you really have no business buying an EV.

I understand the charger, but why is a garage required? Many people keep their vehicles on their own property, but not in a garage.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by 1s1k:

If you don't have a garage and a charger at home you really have no business buying an EV.

I understand the charger, but why is a garage required? Many people keep their vehicles on their own property, but not in a garage.

It isn't you can leave the car outside to charge.

The issue at condos and apartments will be how to economically place chargers, or power ports for plug in for each space. And if you install lets say 20 charging stations around a complex, two per building for a 10 building complex,

Imagine what happens when someone pulls up to charge and just leaves their car their overnight, or all day while they are out with someone else so you can't get to the charging port, we all know some AH will do that.

Now maybe some company comes in and puts a charging port at every parking slot where the resident has to pay for power, and, the complex gets a spiff, thats about the only way I would see it working.

The House voted to end EV Mandate. Well that's nice but what about the Senate? You know they are not going along with this. Looks like a snow job by House Republicans. Now they can say well we tried. Same old CRAP! We need Para's comet or DJT to be in charge again.
Rod

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Originally posted by HRK:

The issue at condos and apartments will be how to economically place chargers, or power ports for plug in for each space. And if you install lets say 20 charging stations around a complex, two per building for a 10 building complex,

Imagine what happens when someone pulls up to charge and just leaves their car their overnight, or all day while they are out with someone else so you can't get to the charging port, we all know some AH will do that.

If I were In Charge (pun) Of These Things, the chargers that are intended for public use would be activated by credit card. There would be a reasonable grace period after charging is complete, then a parking fee would kick in.

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Originally posted by sig sailor:
The House voted to end EV Mandate. Well that's nice but what about the Senate? You know they are not going along with this. Looks like a snow job by House Republicans. Now they can say well we tried. Same old CRAP! We need Para's comet or DJT to be in charge again.
Rod

Biden already said he would veto it. Then you need 2/3 vote to overturn which won’t happen.