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What do you use as a bullet stop or bullet trap when loading and unloading your (carry) pistols at home ? For example a commercial ballistic stop panel, a ballistic steel loading/unloading bullet trap, or something homemade like a bucket of sand, a short stack of Encyclopædia Britannicas, or the ground in your back yard etc. ?

For example refreshing old ammo with new, unloading to clean or work on a gun, load and make ready for carry, unload to rotate a gun out of carry rotation etc., and you want to increase the safety margin to minimize the risk of damage or injury in the off chance of an accidental discharge, or a pistol that has malfunctioned in some way, etc. ?

I'm not talking about perfectly executed loading and unloading per se, but the rare exception that any person can make when handling a gun that could possibly malfunction for some reason or another. This includes everyone, expert competition shooting champions, gunsmiths, and anyone else including you and I.

So do you use anything like that, and if you do, what's your setup or standard practice to minimize loss of life or limb or simply to prevent bullet from accidentally entering a hot water tank or air conditioner unit in your crawlspace or roof for example when pointing said pistol in an otherwise "safe" direction if you don't have this type of setup ?

I've thought about this on and off over the years but never came to a conclusion about it except to be very careful with muzzle control when doing so, but without a bullet trap or stop, this itself still allows some risk that could otherwise be mitigated as well.

So if this is a thing for you guys I'd like to hear what you have done or recommend on way or the other, particularly for those of you who live in suburbia, who can't step into your backyard to do these types of things.




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If you feel it’s necessary, an Amazon or other appropriate cardboard box filled with sand or gravel with the contents in a plastic bag to avoid leaks when handled and taped shut will stop any reasonably-powered projectile fired into it.

There are places I can point a gun when unloading it that I know would not be anything more than a minor nuisance if it discharged. I would be—and am—much more concerned about the noise and possible fragmentation that would result, and therefore wear eye and hearing protection if there were any possibility of a discharge.

I am curious, though, what sort of malfunction you believe could happen when handling a modern firearm that would cause a discharge other than pulling the trigger*. Many of us handle firearms regularly and frequently in places that wouldn’t permit using a bullet trap, so can you explain what the rest of us should perhaps be concerned about?

* (Unless, of course, if it’s inhabited by an evil rogue gremlin that escaped from P320 captivity. And Glock owners obviously have that risk because of how their perfect design requires pulling the trigger in locations where it would be considered unsafe with any other gun.)




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Nothing in particular, just be sure to point in a safe direction.

If you do want a "clearing barrel", a 5-gallon bucket filled with sand ought to contain an unintended handgun bullet. Put the lid on so the sand doesn't splatter all over.
 
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I live in suburbia (a very blue part of it) but my patio is screened from the neighbors well enough that I can use the hill in my backyard if I suddenly get nervous about having a backstop.

Truth to be told, it is usually my mattress that has the honor of backstopping my carry pistol(s) when unloading. I try very hard to not be an idiot when doing so. My range/target pistols usually get loaded/unloaded at a range.
 
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a 5-gallon bucket filled with sand ought to contain an unintended handgun bullet.

It ought to. I conducted a test by firing a 7mm Remington Magnum hunting bullet into a computer paper box* filled with sand and resting on a table. I do not recall the exact load I fired, but it would have had well over 3000 foot-pounds of energy; a hot 124 grain 9mm +P load produces about 400 ft-lb. The box was moved about 1/2 inch and the bullet penetrated about five inches, so I believe a 5-gallon bucket filled with sand would stop most handgun bullets. Any intended improvised trap like that should of course be tested with live fire rather than relying on Internet strangers for confirmation.

* Remember those? It measured about 9×11.5 inches.




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Since SF induced me to become Glockerized, I stepped up my handling of non-manual safety equipped guns by buying snap on trigger guard covers for them. Gun comes out of the holster, and the cover goes on immediately. Then if further admin handling is needed, it can be done safely until the gun is rendered fully safe.
No need for a bullet trap.


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Despite my earlier posts, I must stress that I’m not saying having a bullet trap is a bad idea. It’s when we stop thinking about—or never think about—the bad things that can happen that bad things happen. Despite not having a dedicated trap myself, I am always careful to point guns in safe directions, and part of “safe” is that property damage would be minimized if a discharge occurred. But effective handgun bullet traps can be made easily and cheaply, so why not have one if we believe it’s the prudent thing to do?

And fortunately I am required to have very little to do with field stripping Glocks because I have made it clear that the task is extremely difficult for my eight decade-old hands.




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No, I never thought about it but not a bad idea. When I load my carry guns after cleaning I always have it pointed at a carpeted slab floor. I might just get me a box full of sand.



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I just point it at the kitchen floor. There's a dirt crawlspace under there that will stop any round long before it gets to China. A hole in the floor would be relatively easy to patch in the highly unlikely event that one actually gets made.


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Nope, never even a thought.


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+1 for its a good idea, if in suburbia.
 
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One advantage to having a dedicated bullet trap that’s used every time a specific action is performed, such as pulling the trigger before field stripping a Glock is that if done conscientiously it becomes a habit. That in turn makes it less likely that not paying attention or getting distracted will result in a bullet being fired in some random direction. The military was, and still is, I assume, big on clearing barrels. The absolute requirement that a weapon was cycled and the trigger pulled while pointed into the barrel ensured (mostly) that a loaded gun wouldn’t be turned in and left loaded in an arms room, for example.




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One advantage to having a dedicated bullet trap that’s used every time a specific action is performed, such as pulling the trigger before field stripping a Glock is that if done conscientiously it becomes a habit.

This is a non-issue for the Sig P320...And as long as those P320 Pistols aren't secured in a holster, nobody will get hurt! Wink


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Nope, never even a thought.


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A basket full of your favorite gun/car/hunting magazines will do the trick for handguns. And it won’t look overly obvious.




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If you feel it’s necessary, an Amazon or other appropriate cardboard box filled with sand or gravel with the contents in a plastic bag to avoid leaks when handled and taped shut will stop any reasonably-powered projectile fired into it.

Answer) I think sand would work, but gravel could be a bad choice because of rock fragmentation and possible ricochet.

There are places I can point a gun when unloading it that I know would not be anything more than a minor nuisance if it discharged. I would be—and am—much more concerned about the noise and possible fragmentation that would result, and therefore wear eye and hearing protection if there were any possibility of a discharge.

Answer 2) I don't feel it's necessary to use a trap, but helpful in certain situations when having to load and unload in my house. There are not many safe directions in my house to do this safely in case of a negligent discharge, or an accidental discharge due to mechanical failure. You may have a house that you're OK with that type of accident, I am not.

I am curious, though, what sort of malfunction you believe could happen when handling a modern firearm that would cause a discharge other than pulling the trigger*. Many of us handle firearms regularly and frequently in places that wouldn’t permit using a bullet trap, so can you explain what the rest of us should perhaps be concerned about?

Answer) I prefer TDA over single action pistols. For both of them, when you first load the chamber, both guns are vulnerable because the hammer is in the firing position, until you lock it or drop it with a hammer drop lever. If you're perfect and never make a mistake, and if your gun never has a mechanical failure, you're good. But if either of these are not perfectly true day in and day out, you'd be better off with a bullet stop, trap, or safe pointing direction when doing these operations in your house vice a hot gun range.

Answer) Negligent discharge is always a possibility, unless you're the perfect human being in all matters of life including guns. I don't believe anyone is incapable of a negligent discharge. I had one about 50 years ago, but was "saved" by proper muzzle control since I was loaded and pointing down range. That one was on me, and taught me to keep my finger off the trigger until ready to shoot. Back then for pistols and revolvers, it was not taught to rest your trigger finger on the frame or front trigger guard until immediately before you were ready to shoot. Thank god that is a big thing these days, otherwise more shooters with striker guns, and particularly combined with appendix carry, could be shooting themselves in very bad locations.

Answer 2) Mechanical malfunction. I've had four accidental discharges caused by mechanical malfunctions. The first in the mid 70's and the last occurrence about 10 years ago. One was a high power rifle, two were from a 12 gauge (actually this is explainable but won't for brevity), and one from a revolver. None of these guns had problems with firing before these occurrences, and I've never used guns that were known to have mechanical issues. All these guns were good quality, but just developed issues unbeknownst to me until they malfunctioned. Fortunately in all cases I was pointing downrange, since I don't point anywhere besides downrange when any ammunition is in the gun.

* (Unless, of course, if it’s inhabited by an evil rogue gremlin that escaped from P320 captivity. And Glock owners obviously have that risk because of how their perfect design requires pulling the trigger in locations where it would be considered unsafe with any other gun.)

Answer) Not sure what you're saying here, but it sounds related to my perdeliction for avoiding striker guns, as much as I would love to own and shoot one, but I like the extra margin of "safety" with a DA trigger on the first stroke, and being able to thumb down the hammer during reholstering.

Regarding your comment about not using bullet traps in live action shooting competition and such, or normal operations on a hot range, I'm not contesting that. That's just following all the rules for operating firearms, and being willing to be present in places with normal amounts of calculated risk.




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a 5-gallon bucket filled with sand ought to contain an unintended handgun bullet.

We needed something like this for a specific area on our local range and we did just that. Sand in a 5gal pail and we tested it with evey pistol round we could find and its just fine including hot major competition rounds and big caliber handgun rounds.


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Either a water brick in the basement or towards the ground out an open basement window.

Always when the wife isn't home, because her wrath at an ND would be the worst part of it.
 
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