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Student loan debt? Just vote Democrat!
April 14, 2019, 02:10 PM
ChuckWallStudent loan debt? Just vote Democrat!
It's a scam. He "runs" and promises plenty of free shit. Donations to the campaign come in. He quits and can keep the campaign money by paying tax or other no tax strategies. That's why so many of them are running. They don't give a shit, its a good shot to make some decent coin for doing little or nothing. A racket or side hustle. A little fame is a side benefit, maybe a decent .gov job down the line.
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April 14, 2019, 02:15 PM
LS1 GTOImagine how quickly tuition rates would drop if there were a ban on student loans all together.
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April 14, 2019, 02:21 PM
FenderBenderhe's right, about the effect student loan debt has. He's wrong about the solution, we have the answer to his problem, but people don't want to hear it, and frankly I'm tired of defending it.
so I'm going to be blunt, fuck you boomers for pushing college on every god damned teenager walking the earth. These children have no concept of money or value and have no idea the shit show of a path you've decided to send them down. Your shit parenting and leadership of society has doomed us all.
Go ahead attack the only decision I made at 18 that was universally supported by every adult in my life at that time; please. Tell me I was wrong for trusting you.
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April 14, 2019, 02:37 PM
reloader-1quote:
Originally posted by FenderBender:
so I'm going to be blunt, fuck you boomers for pushing college on every god damned teenager walking the earth.
Go ahead attack the only decision I made at 18 that was universally supported by every adult in my life at that time; please. Tell me I was wrong for trusting you.
Fender, there is much wisdom in what you write, but the people at fault will never acknowledge it. The game has changed so much since they were in school, but they not only fail to see it, but worse still they still push and incentivize their offspring to go to college.
It’s not the 1970’s or 1980’s anymore, with a strong domestic manufacturing economy, a nascent computer boom, and a dearth of foreign competition. Nowadays, every 20 year old from Bangkok to Bogota is a competitor for intellectual work, and a flood of legal and illegal immigrants have made physical labor employment damn near worthless for huge swaths of the US.
Personally, I’d make colleges and universities be the physical guarantors of student loan debt for their graduates, with a max 10 year payoff, capped at x% of the average salary for their major at that school.
April 14, 2019, 02:40 PM
PalmLet's assume you do this. What happens to the kids just entering college that year? Does everyone now just get to go for free as well? Or do the new students have to continue to take out loans while all the historical loans are forgiven?
April 14, 2019, 02:50 PM
FenderBenderquote:
Originally posted by reloader-1:
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Originally posted by FenderBender:
so I'm going to be blunt, fuck you boomers for pushing college on every god damned teenager walking the earth.
Go ahead attack the only decision I made at 18 that was universally supported by every adult in my life at that time; please. Tell me I was wrong for trusting you.
Fender, there is much wisdom in what you write, but the people at fault will never acknowledge it. The game has changed so much since they were in school, but they not only fail to see it, but worse still they still push and incentivize their offspring to go to college.
It’s not the 1970’s or 1980’s anymore, with a strong domestic manufacturing economy, a nascent computer boom, and a dearth of foreign competition. Nowadays, every 20 year old from Bangkok to Bogota is a competitor for intellectual work, and a flood of legal and illegal immigrants have made physical labor employment damn near worthless for huge swaths of the US.
Personally, I’d make colleges and universities be the physical guarantors of student loan debt for their graduates, with a max 10 year payoff, capped at x% of the average salary for their major at that school.
I'm just tired of being vilified all the time for doing exactly as they told us to do.
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April 14, 2019, 02:51 PM
bigdealquote:
Originally posted by chellim1:
It's the opposite of what the Dems. want!
The solution for everything impacting this country is always the opposite of what the leftist Dem's want.
Step one to addressing the student loan nonsense is a culture/societal change....College is
not a right because you're breathing and upright. Next, the only young people receiving 'private' (i.e. not government) funding for college are those who have earned it through their academic achievements (i.e. don't give a damn about your race, gender, or color), and who are pursuing degree programs with a documented/demonstrated need to the country as a whole (i.e if you're a women's studies major, you need not apply for a loan). Once we make sure only the 'right' kids are headed to college, then we can focus on the next step in curing the current problem.
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April 14, 2019, 02:55 PM
RightwireJust another "Get your free shit here" campaign. Nothing more.
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There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. April 14, 2019, 03:08 PM
wishfull thinkerquote:
Originally posted by FenderBender:
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Originally posted by reloader-1:
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Originally posted by FenderBender:
so I'm going to be blunt, fuck you boomers for pushing college on every god damned teenager walking the earth.
Go ahead attack the only decision I made at 18 that was universally supported by every adult in my life at that time; please. Tell me I was wrong for trusting you.
Fender, there is much wisdom in what you write, but the people at fault will never acknowledge it. The game has changed so much since they were in school, but they not only fail to see it, but worse still they still push and incentivize their offspring to go to college.
It’s not the 1970’s or 1980’s anymore, with a strong domestic manufacturing economy, a nascent computer boom, and a dearth of foreign competition. Nowadays, every 20 year old from Bangkok to Bogota is a competitor for intellectual work, and a flood of legal and illegal immigrants have made physical labor employment damn near worthless for huge swaths of the US.
Personally, I’d make colleges and universities be the physical guarantors of student loan debt for their graduates, with a max 10 year payoff, capped at x% of the average salary for their major at that school.
I'm just tired of being vilified all the time for doing exactly as they told us to do.
so you vilify a whole generation for a decision that you now regret. I didn't tell you to do it so go fuck yourself back, or go to your room until you can act like an adult and take responsibility for your own life-your choice.
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April 14, 2019, 03:19 PM
FenderBenderquote:
Originally posted by wishfull thinker:
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Originally posted by FenderBender:
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Originally posted by reloader-1:
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Originally posted by FenderBender:
so I'm going to be blunt, fuck you boomers for pushing college on every god damned teenager walking the earth.
Go ahead attack the only decision I made at 18 that was universally supported by every adult in my life at that time; please. Tell me I was wrong for trusting you.
Fender, there is much wisdom in what you write, but the people at fault will never acknowledge it. The game has changed so much since they were in school, but they not only fail to see it, but worse still they still push and incentivize their offspring to go to college.
It’s not the 1970’s or 1980’s anymore, with a strong domestic manufacturing economy, a nascent computer boom, and a dearth of foreign competition. Nowadays, every 20 year old from Bangkok to Bogota is a competitor for intellectual work, and a flood of legal and illegal immigrants have made physical labor employment damn near worthless for huge swaths of the US.
Personally, I’d make colleges and universities be the physical guarantors of student loan debt for their graduates, with a max 10 year payoff, capped at x% of the average salary for their major at that school.
I'm just tired of being vilified all the time for doing exactly as they told us to do.
so you vilify a whole generation for a decision that you now regret. I didn't tell you to do it so go fuck yourself back, or go to your room until you can act like an adult and take responsibility for your own life-your choice.
Blow it out your ass grandpa.
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April 14, 2019, 03:41 PM
casNot exactly a new strategy, lying to the young about college that is. I have a good friend who, now older and conservative, shamefully voted for Bill Clinton because of promises of cheaper, perhaps free college. I like to tease him about it now and then.
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April 14, 2019, 04:21 PM
BBMWFor all of us here who are against this, the question is now many are willing to actively fight it, and how hard?
There are 44 million people who owe on college loans in this country. While some of those might oppose forgiveness on moral grounds, I bet the majority of them will support it, and with some level of vigor.
April 14, 2019, 04:30 PM
.38supersigI didn't get a student loan. I got a job and worked my way to the American Dream.
Since the government doesn't have a student loan of mine to pay, hows about I get a loan on a new Hellcat and let them pay that one off instead?
April 14, 2019, 04:33 PM
braillediverIn simpler times we called it- Buying Votes.
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April 14, 2019, 04:34 PM
chellim1quote:
Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
Imagine how quickly tuition rates would drop if there were a ban on student loans all together.
Exactly!
Well, at least a ban on government involvement in student loans.
And while we're at it... get the .gov out of health care and health insurance too!
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-rduckwor April 14, 2019, 04:42 PM
dave7378quote:
Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
Imagine how quickly tuition rates would drop if there were a ban on student loans all together.
Damn straight! Ease of govt loans is the reason why tuition has skyrocketed.
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April 14, 2019, 04:54 PM
radiomanquote:
Originally posted by braillediver:
In simpler times we called it- Buying Votes.
This. It's a simple "Quid Pro Quo" to get college age people to vote for him.
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April 14, 2019, 05:05 PM
az4783054The current US debt is at a staggering
$22 TRILLION dollars.
To the selfish people who want to be forgiven of their school debt, think of how many generations it would take to pay it off if we could stop it at that amount.
I went to college and had a job to pay my costs. I owed nothing when I got out. Foolish socialistic promises of more free sh*t costs all of us.
I've enjoyed my time here, but tired of the whining and general management. Time to move on.
April 14, 2019, 05:26 PM
Mr. Kookquote:
Originally posted by reloader-1:
Not in favor of this at all.
However, something HAS to be done about the cost of education as a whole. In the 60’s/70’s/80’s, you could work your way through most 4 year institutions and graduate with little to no debt, and even if you didn’t the debt load was quite easily paid through a combination of good employment possibilities and inflation.
By this point next year, my spouse and I will have paid $400k in student loans completely off, in 5 years post masters completion. In that time, we have not saved anything for retirement, for a future house, or really spent any money other than food and necessary transportation.
With a child, what this means is that we will not contribute anything to the economy in terms of spending until we are 50 or so, (mid-30’s now), which is fine for us but not so great for the economy as a whole.
And I completely echo what Arc said... fuck ‘em
Really simple solution to the college tuition expense problem: make all student loans going forward dischargeable in bankruptcy and get the fed.gov out of the student loan industry. Every future student loan would be made by loan officers who are risking their employer's own money. They will look into whether or not a given field of study results in employment, how much the student will be paid, the student's grades in high school, and will follow the student's educational career closely, making sure their investment is a good one and cutting off funding when the risk outweighs the reward. Schools will respond in kind by adjusting the prices levied for various fields of study and classes.
People who are already up to their eyeballs in student debt need to repay it. No free lunch for them.
Thank you President Trump. April 14, 2019, 05:57 PM
lkdr1989I keep saying this, get colleges to co-sign federal student loans, it's not a perfect fix but certainly better than what's going on now; also tax endowment funds.
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