All, let's say you own a Kindle and buy a book which later, Amazon decides it is too truthful and/or conservative for their liking and delete the book from their sales.

Does Amazon have the ability to delete the book from your Kindle?

If they do delete the book, what recourse does the buyer have?

Just asking after reading that Amazon deleted SCOTUS Thomas' documentary which does not shed a good light on dementia Joe.

I just googled the book and nothing showed up. So much for the 1st amendment.

Jim

You’d have to read the fine print in the kindle contract.

I don’t know the answer, but if I remember correctly, on their prime streaming service, the fine print says you don’t really own any movie you buy through them, more of a long term rental. If Amazon deletes it, you are SOL. I’d guess Kindle books are the same way.

If you've downloaded the book to your Kindle, they can't delete from your Kindle.

My only question is, if the book is in your personal library but stored on Amazon's cloud and not actually downloaded to the Kindle ... can/will they delete the book from the cloud?

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Originally posted by Hobbs:
If you've downloaded the book to your Kindle, they can't delete from your Kindle.

My only question is, if the book is in your personal library but stored on Amazon's cloud and not actually downloaded to the Kindle ... can/will they delete the book from the cloud?

I would guess yes, because, Amazon only wants what's best for you. Oh, and all of your money.

RMD

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Originally posted by Hobbs:
If you've downloaded the book to your Kindle, they can't delete from your Kindle.

My only question is, if the book is in your personal library but stored on Amazon's cloud and not actually downloaded to the Kindle ... can/will they delete the book from the cloud?

Why can't they? They delete Kindle Unlimited books when you return them, so I'm sure they could send a signal to delete anything else they want.

Which book is this?

Is it My Grandfather's Son?

That's still for sale at Amazon

In 2009 a suit was brought against Amazon for unilaterally deleting unauthorized editions of George Orwell titles (oh, the irony), from approximately 2,000 Kindles. The suit was settled out of court with Amazon paying a fine and promising never to do that again. (They did refund the contents' purchase price to the 2,000 customers at the time of the deletion.)

So, to the OP's question, yes, Amazon can delete content from your Kindle, but they say they won't.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
Which book is this?

Is it My Grandfather's Son?

That's still for sale at Amazon

No book in particular. Just happends I acquired my wife's Kindle when she wasn't looking and been reading some books (1984, Utmost Savagery (Battle of Betio Island), and a few others).

The article about the documentary just raised the question in my head. For example, if I bought a paper copy of a book, or DVD of the documentary, it's mine. If I am on an electronic which needs to connect to seller's website when additional purchases are made, the seller has access to delete.

Here's another article showing where my concern arises:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/...l-brown-gender-books

Cancelled by Amazon: Clarence Thomas, Michael Brown documentaries, books on gender top growing list

Amazon, the online retailer founded by liberal billionaire Jeff Bezos, has developed a reputation for canceling content that doesn’t coincide with progressive politics.



In recent memory Amazon has removed books from its online store, used its web services to deplatform a social media app popular with conservatives an even blocked a film about Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas from its streaming service.

Here are some of the examples so far:



"Created Equal: Clarence Thomas in His Own Words"



The documentary about Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas vanished from Amazon’s streaming service during Black History Month. The film, which chronicles Thomas’ journey from "the depths of poverty" to the Supreme Court and everything in between, features archival footage of then-Sen. Joe Biden grilling Anita Hill during the infamous confirmation hearings.

Filmmaker Michael Pack told the Wall Street Journal that he was never offered an explanation as to why Amazon removed it.



Our distributor, who’s the one who made the deal with Amazon, has repeatedly asked them for explanations but they haven’t given any," Pack told the Journal. "I don’t think Amazon should get away with doing these things without suffering at least some PR consequences."

Conservative author Ryan T. Anderson said this week his book, "When Harry Became Sally: Responding to the Transgender Moment," was removed from Amazon last month.

"When Harry Became Sally," which had previously been on Amazon’s bestseller list, aimed to provide "thoughtful answers to questions arising from our transgender moment" and offered a "a balanced approach to public policy on gender identity, and a sober assessment of the human costs of getting human nature wrong."

A search of Amazon for "When Harry Became Sally" doesn’t find Anderson’s book, instead suggesting books with the opposite view such as "The End of Gender: Debunking the Myths about Sex and Identity in Our Society," "Understanding Gender Dysphoria: Navigating Transgender Issues in a Changing Culture" and "Let Harry Become Sally: Responding to the Anti-Transgender Moment."



Parler

Parler, a social media platform popular with conservatives because of its emphasis on free speach, was booted off Google Play and the Apple App Store following the deadly Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol. Soon after, Amazon Web Services disconnected Parler from its servers with just 24 hours notice.

"Unreported Truths about COVID-19 and Lockdowns"



Amazon initially told Alex Berenson last year his booklet on coronavirus, "Unreported Truths about COVID-19 and Lockdowns: Part 1," didn’t meet the company’s guidelines.



The former New York Times reporter quickly launched a protest on Twitter, calling the move "outrageous censorship from a company that gained hugely from lockdown" as millions were forced to shop online. SpaceX CEO Elon Musk and other prominent journalists defended Berenson, and Amazon eventually allowed the book to be sold on its platform. It became the No. 1 best seller in Amazon’s Kindle Store once the online retailer allowed it to be available.

Berenson had been outspoken about the country's response to the coronavirus outbreak, irking liberals in the process. At the time, Amazon told Fox News it was an "error" and the book shouldn’t have been held up, but Berenson had his doubts.

"They didn’t say to me that it was a mistake… I do believe that I’m not the only person who has run into this. They need to be clear what their position is on publishing controversial material on political issues," Berenson told Fox News at the time.

"It doesn’t seem to me that this was an error, but I don’t know."



Similar situations occurred when Berenson released additional sections of the series.



AMAZON TWEAKS APP ICON AFTER COMPARISONS MADE TO HITLER

"What Killed Michael Brown?"



Filmmaker Eli Steele said last year Amazon blocked his film about the death of Michael Brown from appearing on its platform and he feels it was simply because his story "is not the politically correct narrative."



Brown’s 2014 death sparked massive demonstrations in Ferguson, Mo., and around the country, helping solidify the Black Lives Matter movement in the process. Amazon told Steele via email that the film did not meet the tech giant’s "content quality expectations" and would not be eligible to appear on the service.

"We will not be accepting resubmission of this title and this decision may not be appealed," Amazon’s email added.

"Never once did it occur to me that the film would be rejected for content," Steele told Fox News at the time. "It was shocking to me... if you watch the film, you hear voices from all over."



He said Amazon allows other Brown-related films that are the "appropriate narrative," compared to the one his father penned.



"Our side is not the politically correct narrative," he said. "We speak the truth... we make no assumptions, no conspiracy, we don’t do any of that. It’s an intellectual film, it’s not a conspiracy film or anything that would warrant being blocked."

Washington Redskins merchandise

The Washington football team has ditched the offensive nickname and Amazon made sure that nostalgic fans can’t pick up any of the old gear. Amazon removed Redskins merchandise from its site back in July, a few days before the team officially scrapped the moniker.



Ads for "Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters"



A prominent conservative publisher alleged last year that Amazon suspended a paid ad campaign for one of its books, claiming that it contains objectionable content about sexual orientation.

An email obtained by Fox News showed Amazon's Advertising Support service defending its decision to suspend Regnery Publishing's campaign for "Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters."

The book was written by Abigail Shrier, who has been outspoken on the issue, and, according to its description, it warns that ideas surrounding gender are prompting teenage girls to "disfigur[e] their bodies" with courses of testosterone.



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A Regnery spokesperson said at the time the ad itself wouldn't have displayed the book description but simply buying options along with a photo of the cover, which features a drawing of a young girl with a hole in her abdomen.

In an email Regnery provided and said was sent by Amazon, the online retailer said: "It contains elements that may not be appropriate for all audiences, which may include ad copy/book content that infers or claims to diagnose, treat, or question sexual orientation. Hence, this campaign will not be allowed to be advertised."

I recall reading that when you "buy" digital content, you aren't really buying it, but licensing it, much like software. I also recall hearing about a court event where someone's heirs sued a digital content provider to inherit their decedent's digital content, but were denied as the license "expired" along with the decedent.

I could be wrong though, and as someone else said, you'd have to read the fine print in the Kindle "waiver".

I've said before here that I wasn't going to cut off my nose to spite my face.
However, Amazon continues to go woker and woker.
At the very least I will try to find alternative sources to buy things, even if more inconvenient, or have to pay postage.
My wife is repeatedly addressing the question of whether we want to continue patronizing Amazon.
It's a hard one, 'cause they got ya.

I’m off prime video. I’m weaning off prime shopping. I’m weaning off prime music. Wife still heavily uses prime music. That’s the block.

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Originally posted by Ackks:

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Originally posted by Hobbs:
If you've downloaded the book to your Kindle, they can't delete from your Kindle.

My only question is, if the book is in your personal library but stored on Amazon's cloud and not actually downloaded to the Kindle ... can/will they delete the book from the cloud?

Why can't they? They delete Kindle Unlimited books when you return them, so I'm sure they could send a signal to delete anything else they want.

I stand corrected. I guess they can delete books for someones personal Kindle. They apparently did so in 2009. A lawsuit has been brought that is expected to be settled out of court and even Jeff Bezos has already admitted the company's actions were "stupid, thoughtless and painfully out of line with our principles." ... but Amazon likely still possesses the ability to "send a signal" to a Kindle to do whatever they think they can get away with. Here's an article ...
https://www.legalzoom.com/arti...oks-from-your-kindle

I guess I am old and distrust a lot of people. That is why I still buy books, CDs and DVDs. I saw something recently that in a few years, it will be impossible to watch Gone with the Wind.

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Originally posted by Ironworker:
I guess I am old and distrust a lot of people. That is why I still buy books, CDs and DVDs. I saw something recently that in a few years, it will be impossible to watch Gone with the Wind.

And Blazing Saddles

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Originally posted by Ironworker:
I guess I am old and distrust a lot of people. That is why I still buy books, CDs and DVDs. I saw something recently that in a few years, it will be impossible to watch Gone with the Wind.

I do the same.
Granted I immediately rip them to a digital format for use and put the media on the shelf.
I usually buy everything used for just a few dollars.

getting rid of books they don't like is very reminiscent of book burning

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Does Amazon have the ability to delete the book from your Kindle?

Various articles a while ago clarified that we don't really own the books we purchase on Kindle. I think Amazon can also edit the books you've purchased for the Kindle without telling you they have been changed.

If you want historical books, or conservative themed books, buy a hard copy now - they won't be easily accessible much longer.