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When I bought my Cannon safe , it was set for a default factory code of 123456 # . This was the default code for all Cannon safes at that time . The manual gives you directions on how to change that code to whatever you want it to be . So , is there ANOTHER code known only to the manufacturer ?

Generally speaking mechanical locks come from the lock manufacturer "set to 50", and electronic locks come set to "1-2-3-4-5-6". Those are not default codes, merely the current set code which is to be changed once put into service.

It gets a little complicated from there as different lock manufacturers do different things, but the short answer is "Yes, there's another code". That code could be a reset code which puts the lock back to it's factory defaults, or an additional user/manager code with programming authority. Some locks have have many additional users, and you never know who has programmed what into the lock before you took possession of it.

There is not a single code that opens every lock, or every lock by a particular manufacturer. All of these codes are unique to your lock and either set by the lock manufacturer, or programmed by whomever installed the lock. There are many safe manufacturers who do this and have done it for a long time.

I emailed Liberty and let them know their willing cooperation with the corrupt FBI cost them over 4000.00 in my case. Looks like I'm keeping my Browning safe and moving it to Tennessee.

Wouldn’t buy another Liberty safe. Kinda embarrassed to own the one. At least happy that I replaced the lock with something completely different.

I'm in the market for another safe. Who's the best alternative at this point? Looking for a safe bigger than 30 cubic feet.

Cannon? Fort Knox? Made in USA?

Tony.

Amsec (American Security) safes have a good reputation and are built here in the U.S.A.:

https://americansecuritysafes....ory/residential/gun/

Looking forward to reading a1abdj's recommendations, though!

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Fyi - They don't list prices on their website anymore but I remember Amsec safes being pricier than other makers.

I had an AMSEC 6636 gave flawless service for 12+ years. Then when I moved across the country it was going to be difficult at best to bring it. Safe company moved it 25 miles to my parents garage and bolted it to the concrete for $250. Would buy again in a minute.

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Amsec (American Security) safes have a good reputation and are built here in the U.S.A.:

https://americansecuritysafes....ory/residential/gun/

Looking forward to reading a1abdj's recommendations, though!

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Fyi - They don't list prices on their website anymore but I remember Amsec safes being pricier than other makers.

I have a Liberty with a mechanical dial

I saw where Para posted the mechanical combos can be changed, how? Apologies if it has been already posted.

The intel on Liberty's Web page says you need a pro locksmith to change the combination on a manual dial safe.

Here are the instructions on how to change combinations on Liberty Safes, electronic or dial.

However it's not the secret company kept master combination that this changes.

Link

It was interesting to me that Liberty claimed that their backup database was for customers that needed the information, yet in that Twitter thread posted a couple pages back, customers repeatedly claim that Liberty told them to hire a locksmith and had no such information on hand.

I'm sure the truth is more complex, but Liberty sure shat the bed.

^^^ Sounds like the secret codes are for government use, but not for customers?
It gets worse and worse for Liberty Safe Co.

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Sounds like the secret codes are for government use, but not for customers?

I'd call it quasi customer use. I'm sure in some cases this information was given directly to a safe owner in an attempt to get their safe open. More often than not, it would have been given to a tech who was working on behalf of the customer.

If I call a manufacturer that is familiar with me, I can generally get this information immediately over the phone. They key being that the information is being provided for the benefit of the customer.

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mechanical combos can be changed, how?

It's best to have a competent safe tech do it for a variety of reasons, although it can technically be done yourself.

I've changed the combos on some dial S&G locks at work. Had no issues. Didn't seem that difficult. Just test the combos a handful of times before you actually close the door and lock it.

Do Liberty safes with dial locks come with a change key?


And I just want to point out this issue to anybody that may have a biometric lock on your safes. It is my understanding that it is still unsettled law whether you can be compelled to unlock your biometric lock. This pertains to your phones and tablets/laptops too.

https://www.concordlawschool.e...20be%20incriminating.

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^^^ Listening to non-security professionals who have "spoken with", "heard" and "read" explain these things to you will result in you ending up in the same boat you're in from purchasing your security from non-security professionals.

Any of us that are in this business, and know what we are doing, have explained these scenarios to customers going back decades.

There are two ways to 100% guarantee that somebody can't obtain the combination from your safe from the manufacturer:

1) Don't ever register your warranty. The manufacturer already has a serial number and a combination. Once you register your warranty they now attach your name and address to that record. Federal law does not require registration for a manufacturer's warranty to remain valid.

2) Remove all serial numbers from your safe. If the manufacturer doesn't have your name, and those calling don't have a serial number, there's nothing to search for within their systems.

Where do they put the serial numbers? Let’s say Amsec, for example?

And just because I’m not clear on this, are you saying that if someone has say, an ESL10 lock, that there’s a secret code that Amsec has matched to the serial number of the safe that ESL10 is installed on that will open the lock? And that code is separate from code the owner programed? And it can’t be erased or otherwise overridden?

@a1abdj

Not sure if you are trying to discredit the man in the video, but he is a security professional and is in the security business.

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2) Remove all serial numbers from your safe. If the manufacturer doesn't have your name, and those calling don't have a serial number, there's nothing to search for within their systems.

That will just lead to an ATF “administrative ruling” declaring that since safes can hold guns, safes are therefore by extension, guns themselves. As such, removing the serial number from a serialized “firearm” is a felony and thereby subject to canine assassination.

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Where do they put the serial numbers? Let’s say Amsec, for example?

It varies, but there is always a serial number on the outside of the safe somewhere. Could be on the door, the top, the side, or the back. Obviously not on the bottom.

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are you saying that if someone has say, an ESL10 lock, that there’s a secret code that Amsec has matched to the serial number of the safe that ESL10 is installed on that will open the lock?

Not only the serial number of the safe, but also the serial number on the keypad mounting plate.

Don't just destroy the serial numbers. You'll want to maintain a record of them somewhere else in the event they are needed in the future.

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And that code is separate from code the owner programed? And it can’t be erased or otherwise overridden?

There are some exceptions, but overall the answer is these questions is yes. Most of these locks have a code that is independent from the combination you set, and you would generally not be able to delete or change that.

But here's the additional thing with electronic locks. They make devices that can bypass them faster than a phone call to a manufacturer (again with some exceptions). These devices are available to law enforcement and security professionals. Amateur/homemade versions also exist.

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Not sure if you are trying to discredit the man in the video, but he is a security professional and is in the security business.

Speaking about every Youtube video I've seen on the subject so far. Being in the security business and being knowledgeable of safes, vaults, and their locking mechanisms are two entirely different things. Most people who sell this stuff know little to nothing about it besides what the safe manufacturer has printed in their literature, and many of the safe manufacturers are half clueless themselves. It's like the blind leading the blind.

Point taken, but if you research Deviant Ollam I don't think he falls into that category.