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I did not want to derail Delmag Tech’s thread about his new Fox Red Lab. A few weeks ago I saw a lady walking one of the best looking dog’s I have seen. Wish I could have stopped to find out more but couldn’t. The dog looked to be a standard Labrador Retriever but it had the deepest, shiniest, red/maroon coat just like an Irish Setter. Aside from the color it had zero attributes of a Setter so I highly doubt it was a recent breed of a lab and Setter. Delmag’s thread got me looking but none of the Fox Red pics I am finding get even close to that deep shiny red that the Irish Setter has. I know their are so many mutts and mixes out there but sure would like to find a lab that looked like the one I saw. Granted we are not getting another dog until this baby is out of diapers but the other thread got me wondering. This guy is the closest I could find. Take his ear coloring in the last picture and make it uniform to his entire body and you have what I am looking for. https://blackforklabradors.com/team/kane/ ———————————————— The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad. If we got each other, and that's all we have. I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand. You should know I'll be there for you! | ||
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AFAIK, there are just three recognized colors. That said, people can do what the want to do when breeding. My neighbor has a lab that’s pretty much a red roan color. I wouldn’t care about AKC eligibility, but I would care that the genetics of the dog are about much more than color. I was friends with a veterinarian in Colorado who loved Labradors. He hunted, and spent a long time researching for a breeder who had an old line hunting bred lab. The breed was most popular in America for many years and a whole lot of breeders didn’t care a wit about soundness or hunting ability. _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!! Many years ago I used to hunt quail, bobwhite and blue with a cocker spaniel! Quartered close so worked well, and was a great retreiver! Not sure if hunting lines of American cockers exist any more? Now bred for coat, color, etc. Jim | |||
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Almost all South Georgia quail plantations use English Cockers as their flushing dogs. As to the OP, the AKC says that yellow labs color can range from fox red to a light cream. Find a breeder more on the fox red end if the spectrum. Sometimes golden retrievers also have that fox red coloring... find one with short and straight enough hair and he'll look like a lab. Or have him clipped year round. I'm gonna vote for the funniest frog with the loudest croak on the highest log. | |||
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I believe they are referred to as "fox red" labs. I want to say a member here got a pup or two a few years ago. I remember it because I referred my sister to that breeder (she eventually passed, she wanted a black lab). Maybe this here: https://www.warneslabs.com/ Also the Amber Sky Labs: http://www.amberskylabradors.c...xredinformation.html I believe this is the one I referred my sister to: http://www.foxredlab.com/ All of them have pretty dogs. | |||
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Fox reds is correct. They are technically yellow labs, but darker. They are an approved color though.
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AKC isn't the be all, end all authority, BUT they do a reasonably good job trying to keep accounts of who bred what and when. With Labs, there are 3 colors as has been stated: black, yellow, and chocolate. The yellow can range from the red to an almost white shade ("white labs"), and while all are acceptable and have been bred for certain colors on the color spectrum, purists seek the more traditional colors. "Silver" labs, for example, are a color that I'm perplexed by and not sure where they fit on the colors, if at all, wrt AKC. As I said, many people don't give a flip about AKC. I'm not necessarily a color purist, but the breed standard for visual inspection is important, and if the dog doesn't have those attributes, keep looking. Who wants a "lab" that looks and acts like a Weimy? Get what you want, love it and feed it (and keep it on heartworm prevention).  ________________________________________________ "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving." -Dr. Adrian Rogers | |||
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Uncle Punk this pup had nowhere near the nasty looking coat of Chessie (yes I know it is that way for a reason). The Fox Red is the closest but no picture I have come across is even close to the coat color this dog had. As for all the AKC nonsense I could not care less. Healthy pup is all that matters to me. Silver or charcoal is likely next on the list. I am guessing this pup must have been a fluke maybe an abnormal Fox Red but certainly not common as no picture I have come across even comes close. ———————————————— The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad. If we got each other, and that's all we have. I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand. You should know I'll be there for you! | |||
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UK Labs out of Ireland and Scotland that are Fox Red in color are becoming very popular in the US. We have a beautiful fox red female who produced two litters of 10 fox red pups each. Wait time for a fox red pup is more than a year. There is much more to these UK dogs than color but fox red has become very popular. Check out Wildrose kennels. https://www.uklabs.com CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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Don't know if this photo will help for color. My beloved Irish Setter Caine was from a champion breed and I think his coat is true color. He was just a young pup just over a year in this image. I always described his coat like red glass when the sun shined on it. An amazing animal he was!  Regards, Will G. | |||
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^^^^^^^^^^ What a classic breed! Always loved the Irish....ever since I watched the movie BIG RED when I was a kid. Hard to find them now and even harder to find one from a working line. 0:01 | |||
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They don't fit. They are not recognized by AKC, UKC, FCI and the Labrador Retrievers Club. Here is a statement from a reputable Lab breeder that I know: ------------------------------ SILVER, CHARCOAL and CHAMPAGNE LABS: AKA "Dilute Labrador Colors" I am sorry but despite some people's misguided attempts in making the general public believe that there is a "dilute gene" in purebred Labradors is completely absurd! There absolutely no such thing as a pure bred silver, charcoal or champagne Labrador. These are dogs that early in the 60's and 70's, two kennels that bred both Labradors and Weimaraners began advertising Silver Labradors. The dilute gene is normal in the Weimaraner breed. It does not occur naturally in the Labrador. Only a dog that genetic background consist of Labrador/Weimaraner crossbreeding can produce such colors. Those professing to breed and advertise dilute Labradors are misrepresenting the color of the dog on the AKC papers. The American Kennel club, United Kennel Club and FCI "WORLD breed standard does not recognize ANY of these dilute colors. The parent club (The Labrador Retriever Club, Inc) does NOT support these colors! ---------------------------- https://www.ashlandlabradors.com/coat-colors . | |||
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Glad you said that, not me.  Lots of purebred silver labs in our area, and heaven help me if I try to interject discussion on genetics, etc. As I already said, lots of the yellow variation out there, just buyer beware as you get into a certain color spectrum wherein the dog loses it's breed characteristics. ________________________________________________ "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving." -Dr. Adrian Rogers | |||
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Definitely a touchy subject. . | |||
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I recognize black, yellow and chocolate. I wouldn’t recognize any other color. Dangerous game to me it seems but what do I know. 0:01 | |||
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Color is spot on what I am talking about, especially on the back. My neighbors growing up always had female Irish Setters. Good dogs I am just not a fan of the longer hair and they always seem a little thin to me. ———————————————— The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad. If we got each other, and that's all we have. I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand. You should know I'll be there for you! | |||
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i had an irish setter as a kid her name was twiggy lol it was the 70s there greate dogs if you want that color just get one the dog you seen was a mix "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin, 1759-- Special Edition - Reverse TT 229ST.Sig Logo'd CTC Grips., Bedair guide rod | |||
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While recognized, the fox red is considered a variation of yellow. And would be registered as yellow. We had one...AKC... _____________________________ Pledge allegiance or pack your bag! The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher Spread my work ethic, not my wealth | |||
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