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I have Rinnai, but it is gas/electric. It is still plugged in to an outlet but the gas line feeds into it. It is not instant. The hot water still travels thru the plumbing. It is installed on a wall in the garage adjacent to the living room. I can hear it 'spool' up when it is working. As far as $ savings, I still have to see it. | |||
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Some people need to READ an actual post, to understand what is being said, instead of assuming things. If you compare electric vrs electric... The operational cost is still electric. If you compare gas vrs gas... The operational cost is still gas. No where did I state operational costs of electric vrs gas. None of my posts suggest I don't recommend gas over electric. Slow down and interpret what you think you're reading. | |||
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I'm not here to argue with you. My initial post advising the OP (which is not you) was that converting to tankless electric is probably not worth it (on a time of payback versus conversion costs) when you factor in all of the additional installation costs of upgrading the power to match the electric requirements of converting the electrical supply wires from panel to water heater, breakers, AND most likely upgrading to a new electrical panel and all new breakers and larger service from the electrical company from the pole to his house. In most areas of the country gas cost versus electrical cost (btu for btu) gas is cheaper than electric so converting makes the tankless conversion make more sense. AGAIN, each house and conversion will be different and have different associated costs based upon what each homeowner has as far as infrastructure in their home. But here in South Florida, the majority of the time converting electric tank to gas tankless makes sense, electric tank to electric tankless doesn't. The other issue is water quality in the area you're in and maintenance on tankless. The tankless installed in 2012 in the house I manage is on city water and has never been flushed/cleaned, or serviced, as in ever and has always worked fine......other area's you have to have them cleaned annually. | |||
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My son installed a gas tankless water heater in his house about two months ago. The charges to install the electric was $4500 due needing to upgrade his service box and wiring. Gas was $3200 installed. (His old water heater was gas) He loves it but me, well, er, ugh, I'd do a conventional water heater and pocket the difference. | |||
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You guys/gals that have an old style electric tank water heater can have a time switch installed to save money. I have mine set up to where it only operates between 3 and 8 pm (when I need hot water). The higher your electricity rates the more money you’ll save. https://www.homedepot.com/p/In...WvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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Now we're talking payback? If that's the new talking point, stick with a tank. What's next the color of the unit, the cost of solar or what plumbing materials is best to use? I simply disputed a common statement (you just happen to be the one who posted it this time). My post was misinterpreted... now here we are... trying to make blanket statements for an item where every install and location varies so much, it would take a book to cover everything (which is what you do with every post... blah, blah, blah) If I had been talking to you directly, I might as well went outside and talked to a rock. | |||
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I've replied to similar threads with the same answers: Do not put electric and tankless in the same sentence, they just don't go together. We have a propane Rinnai and love it, I can't really say there is no payback, but damn it is a long way off. Some things are just worth the money and tankless is one of them. I love a long hot shower in the AM and I get it. I even upped the default temperature to 125 to offset the heat loss coming from the basement connections to the living space. The only disadvantage we have is the kitchen, it is the farthest from the tank and it takes almost 2 minutes to get hot water. We are planning on putting in a point of use of some type at the sink to cure that issue. Put one in and don't look back... | |||
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I have a natural gas Rennai (sp?). I'm first owner of the house and it's what the builder had already installed. It is both my first time having one and lot of my neighbors had dual 40 gallon natural gas in their attic so I was skeptical about tankless. After 4 years, I can't think of a single time where a tank would have been better. I have company stay with me a week over the holidays and the endless supply of hot water is great. I can be doing dishes and they can be doing back to back showers. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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That coming from an expert and I would agree. From EVERYONE I know that has converted to tankless the installation costs of electric were far higher than gas. My son went solar and wanted to go electric but the installation costs were prohibitive. | |||
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