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Link ST. LOUIS – The St. Louis Circuit Attorney said the city can’t arrest its way out of the crime problem, so she’s trying to reduce crime by changing policy. Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner said her new approach focuses on the causes of crime. She said the city’s high arrest rates, conviction rates, and lengthy prison sentences have not made the city any safer. Gardner said the heavy-handed criminal justice response in the past has played a significant role in destabilizing families and neighborhoods out of access to job opportunities and housing. “This is why we are taking a new approach. One where we work with service providers to help address the underlying drivers of crime, including substance abuse, disorders, mental illnesses, joblessness, and hopelessness while reserving our harshest response incarceration for those who truly are a danger to our community," she said. The circuit attorney said she’ll begin discussions on changing her office policy, as well as plans for alternatives to incarceration, and bail and bond practices. **************************************************************** What a shit show. | ||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
What a shit show is right! ... and now, with Wesley Bell as PA, St. Louis County can go down the tubes with St. Louis City. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Actually, you can. Less than 2 percent of the population commit the vast majority of crimes. One burglar can cost, in insurance, losses, police time, etc, a million bucks a year. Incarceration costs about 50k per year. Not only can most of the crooks be locked up, you can save a metric ton of money doing so. | |||
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I Am The Walrus |
What would save even more money is for those with life sentences to just dump them into the ocean while it's transporting something overseas for the military. Open up the rear gate and away they go. And no more sitting on death row for 20 years living up a dream on the taxpayer dime. _____________ | |||
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1)Well it likely prevented it getting worse then. 2) It's not a matter of either / or tactics. City can do both. Attack crime on two fronts. Collecting dust. | |||
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Kim Gardner is truly appalling as the DA. She has completely abandoned the oath she took to uphold the LAWS of Missouri. She is nothing but a political operative with an agenda (same as the douchebag that is the DA for the county). Just think if the head building code official decided that the state building code was slowing down development so he unilaterally decides his office will no longer enforce the code. Or the chief of police decides that enforcing traffic LAWS slows down the morning commute so he announces that no traffic laws will be enforced. Ken | |||
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I bet if a thug broke in her house, she would lock them up as long as she could. _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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So in other words, without saying it, she is going to the Bahamas system of justice. Black males are slapped on the wrist, released, and told not to do that again. White males, that do the same exact crime, are incarcerated, heavily fined, long probation sentences, and if a foreigner, deported. Two separate, but unequal, systems of justice, based on your skin color. Because we just cant have black thugs getting arrested and going to jail. Thats racist and shit. ______________________________________________________ Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow | |||
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Ignored facts still exist |
Here's something she can study: vigilantism Out where I am, nobody calls the police, the response time is just too long for them to show up, and the criminals know this . | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
There is the Brazilian approach, free fire zones where the popo can simply shoot on sight. I bet that'll reduce crime. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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That's when Liberalism was only a sickness now it's a disease. The major of St.Louis consistently sides with the criminals even though her husband was shot and killed by a thug right in front of their house. | |||
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So one of her answers to the above issues was to have her office decline to prosecute 64% of all cases brought to them in 2018 by the St. Louis Police Dept. How is that not prima facia evidence of prosecutorial malfeasance? Link | |||
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Objectively Reasonable |
Yes. Yes, you can. You can most assuredly "arrest your way" out of many crime problems. It requires consistency and cooperation between police and prosecutors, and a court that's actually sensitive to the crime problem and its impact on the citizenry. You can't "seed" until you "weed" with arrests, civil nuisance abatement, and making the environment safe for decent people and businesses to grow a functional community. You want "alternatives to incarceration?" Fantastic... I'm all for banishment and exile as an alternative. | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
They can start by arresting every last member of that city's administration. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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No bet | |||
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SIG's 'n Surefires |
Bingo! "Common sense is wisdom with its sleeves rolled up." -Kyle Farnsworth "Freedom of Speech does not guarantee freedom from consequences." -Mike Rowe "Democracies aren't overthrown, they're given away." -George Lucas | |||
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I'm sure my STL homies will be along here in a minute to comment, but if St. Louis County is handing out "lengthy prison sentences" as a whole and they are actually serving all of the time, they are the first I've heard of in the nation to be doing it. For the most part, prison sentences in America (Once it gets to the point of prison, which means it was a "violent" crime, or the person has violated their probation 12 times) are pennies on the dollar sentences. For instance, I picked up a guy last year, that has received a 15 year prison sentence, and a six year prison sentence.......since 2010. And he is currently charged yet again. This bullshit that keeps being thrown out about "lengthy prison sentences" is just that......bullshit. It's all pennies on the dollar nonsense that even if they do get a 15 year bid, they are out on parole in a couple of months. They reoffend and don't report to their PO. If STL is locking people up across the board, and they are staying locked up, I'll be really surprised. They are the first in the nation to be doing so. Last guy that tried to kill me because I was a police officer, and he hated police officers, got 15 years. He served two because attempted murder is a non-violent offense in the sentencing guidelines, and is back on the street. No one gets "lengthy prison sentences". That is a soundbite falsehood. | |||
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Jack of All Trades, Master of Nothing |
Look at how well a similar philosophy worked in Alaska. Unless you shoot a moose here, you aren't going to jail. The crime rate has skyrocketed because there is no punishment and the same criminals are never locked up. My daughter can deflate your daughter's soccer ball. | |||
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