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Originally posted by zoom6zoom:
I'd happily go back to 7 if I could.
Windows 10 updates are a major PITA. They try to run whenever they want to run. You can only put them off for so long, and then they just force themselves on you.

If you diable Update in Services... it turns itself back on. I'm currently using a third party app that monitors it, instantly disables it again, and lets me run updates when I chose to do so.

If it's not much trouble, could you name the program you are using to manipulate your updates?

I'm currently building a W10 install on a new ssd I bought and this sounds like something I'd be into adding.

Thank you.

This little freebie
https://www.novirusthanks.org/...cts/win-update-stop/

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Originally posted by zoom6zoom:
I'd happily go back to 7 if I could.
Windows 10 updates are a major PITA. They try to run whenever they want to run. You can only put them off for so long, and then they just force themselves on you.

If you disable Update in Services... it turns itself back on. I'm currently using a third party app that monitors it, instantly disables it again, and lets me run updates when I chose to do so.

Why would you want to put them off?
> I know you are going to say > it will mess something up.
We fear what we don't understand.

You can schedule updates and it is better to regularly do them vs putting them off.
Not really a big deal.

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Originally posted by zoom6zoom:
This little freebie
https://www.novirusthanks.org/...cts/win-update-stop/

Excellent. Thank you!

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Why would you want to put them off?
> I know you are going to say > it will mess something up.
We fear what we don't understand.

You can schedule updates and it is better to regularly do them vs putting them off.
Not really a big deal.

More than once I've had updates hammer the system, the last on my Win 7 required me to roll back the OS to a previous known good install, since then several features have stopped working including the Right Click SendTo Message option, gone...

No fixes work and it's a known MSFT bug, however for 3 years its worked without issue.

Same happened on XP, 98 et all. Some updates work great, however some don't play well and can be monumentally a screw up.

Lost a whole day of work, and I'm pretty IT savvy.

Still have to consider the option to get a new Desktop and win10, vs upgrading, both have issues that have to be addressed...

I have 3 Win7 /XPPro boxes here at the house and when they die I will be switching to Linux. Already have one box running Mint

No way do I want that bloatware crap called W10 on any of my personal machines - bad enough I have to have it on a work laptop - I use it as little as possible

Windows is not ready for prime time garbage.

I have 2 bricked RIPs from Win10 build 1903. A mandatory upgrade as per the IT department in June.

Our IT department argued with me about it must be a fault with the equipment.

Mimaki said 10 was working fine at the showroom.

I bought a $10,000 piece of equipment just to get them out and install on the 1903 build.

The hilarity began as soon as the USB plug was inserted into the computer. The driver would install, uninstall over an over. They are required to stay until the equipment functions satisfactory.

NOW I have our IT department's undivided attention. I asked for an 1809 build just to humor me. They bring me some shit laptop. It started working, I even stuck another printer on for giggles and it was still stable. Laptops have shit processors and horrible USB bandwidth that make them unsuitable for anything other than downloading midget rodeo clown porn.

Now for the shit part. We have no copies of 1809 and the factory new PC's can't be "downgraded" because of the goddammed Windows licensing.

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Originally posted by BlackTalonJHP:
I run Classic Shell (freeware) on all my Win 10 machines to mimic Win 7.

I run Classic Shell on Win7 to mimic XP. I couldn't stand the Win7 interface. I wonder if Classic Shell can mimic XP on a Win10 machine?

I can't argue with the fact that fresh hardware is the way to go when you START using a current or new OS.
Industry pretty much demands you use current production hardware and think large and generous so you'll be able to handle future specs , at least for a while.
Two decades ago, i had a peniless customer. He earned his money doing some graphic desing small jobs. Nothing steady, long term or impressive. Used to do the homework for Graphic Design students. I suggested he invest in a better graphic card, something with 512kb RAM. An ATI card if I recall correctly. It changed his life, he was REALLY grateful and noticeably more productive.
Most times I would fix or advise him for free. He could not afford my services.
But one day he won the Xmas lottery, all by himself. Came home and wrote me a check for 70 grand. A gift. A REALLY nice gift that allowed me to buy my appartment just before the economy went to hell. End of story.

I stopped selling hardware almost twenty years ago after the economy of my country collapsed. Now I think strictly in User terms to better care for the customer.
The fact is and still remains that spreadsheets haven't changed much in decades, neither have the documents, their different formats, email clients or internet browsers, even the multimedia stuff hasn't evolved radically. Your daily computer use likely could or SHOULD be able to be handled by a i386 machine or Pentium 1 to 3 processor.
Your needs, not the industry ones.

But Vista told you, in no uncertain terms, to throw away your shit so you could keep doing the exact same thing with double the specs at a slightly slower rate.
People complained and got XP and was happy. Got 7 running similar specs but also saw no reason to switch.

Windows 3x was a few diskettes, 95 started with 13 disks but Rel 2 required the equivalent of 64 so it had to be distributed using CD. There were no limits after that.

Diskettes are obsolete, CD are obsolete, DVD and Bluray are headed the way of the dodo.

But YOUR needs, and those of most of us but for the hard core gamers among us, are pretty much the same than they were 25 years ago when we went WYSIWYG (and even that was a huge lie).

IMHO.

0-0

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We have no copies of 1809 and the factory new PC's can't be "downgraded" because of the goddammed Windows licensing.

Sorry about your problem.
You can't get 1809 or just can't roll it back?
I am not aware of licensing that prohibits within a version?

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Why would you want to put them off?

I do a lot of video rendering and other tasks that take a long time. When update pops up reminders and crap in the middle of them, it screws them up and I have to restart the process.

I don't have an issue with updates. But just for example, I ran updates a few weeks ago. It took hours. OK, I'm good for a while now, right? NO... updates ran THREE MORE TIMES the same week, each time tying up my computer for way too long.
On Win 7 I could at least chose which updates I wanted. For example, I never autoupdated my video card driver, because the updates always messed it up. I'd be happy if they just gave ups back the granular level of control we once had. They're dumbing down the system to the lowest common denominator.

One presumes HRK (the OP) needs MS-Windows for some reason. Or simply prefers it. If he was interested in entertaining alternatives I'm sure he would have asked for them. So "I use this other thing, instead" and "MS-Windows sucks!" really only adds noise, guys.

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Originally posted by smschulz:

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We have no copies of 1809 and the factory new PC's can't be "downgraded" because of the goddammed Windows licensing.

Sorry about your problem.
You can't get 1809 or just can't roll it back?
I am not aware of licensing that prohibits within a version?

The new Dell workstations only come pre-loaded with an OS. There is no disk to load a new OS from. I can't just downgrade to 1809 because Microsoft will only allow me to use 1903.

All the disk images backed up on the server now are 1903, so I can't just reimage the drive.

The IT department waited so long to realize that the update was the problem that it timed out on a downgrade.

I have to buy 1809 disks and clean install, then block all updates. Mimaki has no intention of updating their drivers as everything works fine with 1809.

As I understand it W10 is tied to the machine and there is no key or license number. The association is inbedded and once you have it on your machine you can reinstall from MS website forever. No disks required. W10 is the last OS MS is naming. There will be updates as time goes on but no W11 or such.

I don't understand the reluctance to W10 updates. The fast majority of them have to do with security issues that have cropped up (Malware etc) so why wouldn't you want them? I've never had an update interrupt anything I'm working on and 90% of the time I don't even know and update has taken place. You can turn off automatic updates and then check periodically yourself for updates.... read what they cover and decide if you want to do the update or not. Again, most are security updates so not installing seems counter productive.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
The new Dell workstations only come pre-loaded with an OS. There is no disk to load a new OS from. I can't just downgrade to 1809 because Microsoft will only allow me to use 1903.

All the disk images backed up on the server now are 1903, so I can't just reimage the drive.

The IT department waited so long to realize that the update was the problem that it timed out on a downgrade.

I have to buy 1809 disks and clean install, then block all updates. Mimaki has no intention of updating their drivers as everything works fine with 1809.

Dell preloaded OS can be downloaded from > HERE and I am sure that you are aware of this recovery tool.

I don't think it has anything to do with Microsoft licensing at all but may be the only version that Dell provides.
They may/may not update this download and don't know if you can pre-determine the revision number but may be worth a shot.
You may be able to talk to Dell support if you can't solve on your own.
Good Luck.