When doing a transfer between FFL, what information is provided to the receiving FFL besides buyers name and contact info?


Do they generally include a receipt or financial info, invoice, other?



Curious…

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Originally posted by 911Boss:
When doing a transfer between FFL, what information is provided to the receiving FFL besides buyers name and contact info?


Do they generally include a receipt or financial info, invoice, other?



Curious…

Nothing else was ever 100% necessary. Though in some wait states, the date of purchase proof (receipt or invoice) can be used to start the wait. Therefore making it quicker to pick up by the buyer. Usually transit was 3-5 days.1

The only thing I ever sent was buyers name and contact info.

When shipping, I send buyer's name and contact info. When receiving, I've only ever received from other FFLs. They (usually) get a copy of my FFL in advance, so they transfer the to gun from their book to mine before I see it and then include buyer's name and contact info in the package.

Often times a receipt or invoice is enclosed, but I only care that all the serial numbers, makes and models are correct. Price and tracking info don't matter to me.

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Originally posted by mark60:
The only thing I ever sent was buyers name and contact info.

Yup, name (whom the gun is for) and number (to make contact) are all the necessary info for the receiving FFL dealer. Of course, your dealer must have a copy of the receiving dealer’s FFL before the gun can be shipped.

Now, if you’re shipping it yourself as a non-FFL, the receiving dealer will require you to include a copy of your state DL/ID with the package.

I’m not dealer, btw. Just someone who has done so many shipping and receiving that my contribution to the discussion is just as valid.

Cali has some silliness, I think, where some dealers try to get sales tax paid on transfers in


all my shipped sales get my FFL and or SOT, and the buyers name and contact email/phone,

if I sell on Gunbroker, I print the item summary, (it does not have purchase cost)

and of course, Cali sales have the Cali permission slip too,



FWIW, sometimes FFL's struggle with paperwork,

I have had some call me demanding to know how much was paid, (fukoff buddy, ask the buyer) and have had some call me to ask how I had the firearm listed in my bound books , so there will be continuity,

as in 'what model did you have in the book on that Arisaka?"
me,, well is says type 99 in Japanese on it,

them,,, huh?

FFL number and that is it, technically only the shipping FFL has to verify license before shipment. I have had some refuse to send me copies of their license so I just look it up. Have even had some show up with no name. I will send all the info I have to ensure it gets to the right person.

I will add that most of the larger online dealers send their license with buyers info on it. Probably part of their automated system to ensure it goes to the right place.

So my receiving dealer likely got no information from Kygunco except my contact information and the firearm info.

Cool.

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Originally posted by 911Boss:
So my receiving dealer likely got no information from Kygunco except my contact information and the firearm info.

Cool.

I believe that is how KYgunco does it.

Once in a while I get an FFL with "no face-face transactions" handwritten on it. How does that work? Is it a local zoning thing? If their FFL were really limited to shipping only, wouldn't ATF have a special designation for that type of license?

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
Once in a while I get an FFL with "no face-face transactions" handwritten on it. How does that work? Is it a local zoning thing? If their FFL were really limited to shipping only, wouldn't ATF have a special designation for that type of license?

More than likely that is to keep somebody from using it to purchase a firearm face to face at a gun show or in a gun shop.

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Originally posted by blindref:

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
Once in a while I get an FFL with "no face-face transactions" handwritten on it. How does that work? Is it a local zoning thing? If their FFL were really limited to shipping only, wouldn't ATF have a special designation for that type of license?

More than likely that is to keep somebody from using it to purchase a firearm face to face at a gun show or in a gun shop.

Yep, supposedly that was happening a while back.

I have a standard memorandum I send with each shipment. It has:

• My firm's name and contact information.
  
• The receiving licensee's name and contact information.
  
• The recipient's name and contact information.
  
• The manufacturer, importer (if any), model, S/N, type, chambering, and a listing of any accessories included, especially magazines.
  
• An originally signed copy of my license (on the opposite side of the memorandum so it stays together) with a banner indicating it is valid only for transfers between my business premises address and the receiving licensee's business premises address.

In nearly 20 years, I've never had one "get lost" or an accessory "go missing." I know of one licensee who asked for the basic memo format he liked it so much.

If I may, another question.

Is there a reasonable time limit to how long an FFL can store a firearm until the buyer can pick it up?

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Originally posted by RichardC:
If I may, another question.

Is there a reasonable time limit to how long an FFL can store a firearm until the buyer can pick it up?

I think a week is reasonable, maybe 2 in some circumstances but I work with my customers. I used to have a retired 5th SFG guy who worked contract work overseas. He would ship something to me and I might hold it for 2 months until he got back stateside. But he asked me ahead of time before doing that.

I used to put out a policy with exact times since some people would wait weeks to pick them up.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
If I may, another question.

Is there a reasonable time limit to how long an FFL can store a firearm until the buyer can pick it up?

Communication is key, an FFL held about 8 transfers for me, some for over a year while I was overseas. Charged me an extra 10$ a transfer.

Some have rules about 2 weeks before they ship back, etc. but if they are have a relationship with the customer and are decent, there is not a limit by law to how long they can hold it.

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Originally posted by 911Boss:
So my receiving dealer likely got no information from Kygunco except my contact information and the firearm info.

Cool.

it's been a while since I have received a gun from them, so cannot say with certainty,

however most big company's include a FFL and contact sheet,

Buds provides a peice of paper telling you where you can go online to get a FFL and their FFL number,

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Originally posted by OttoSig:

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Originally posted by RichardC:
If I may, another question.

Is there a reasonable time limit to how long an FFL can store a firearm until the buyer can pick it up?

Communication is key, an FFL held about 8 transfers for me, some for over a year while I was overseas. Charged me an extra 10$ a transfer.

Some have rules about 2 weeks before they ship back, etc. but if they are have a relationship with the customer and are decent, there is not a limit by law to how long they can hold it.

had a FFL return a rifle I shipped cause the customer, in the military, had it shipped in while he was TDY to a school,

they told him some BS about not allowed to hold the gun that long and refused delivery,

and it got lost for 4 months on the way back to me,


ATF could give a shit less how long you have it,
your state or locality may have some law that says you have to hold it x number of days before you can dispose of it to another party (abandonment laws)

Last time my IOI came to visit, he told me about another FFL who just wanted to keep the gun for himself and so refused to do the transfer. I was like WTF? He said it was a civil matter and ATF wouldn't get involved. I said, "Isn't using a business and gov't. issued license to commit fraud sort of the definition of RICO?"

FWIW - Kygunco did include price paid on the document they send.