Chris Wayne and Brian Lambert, the two men previously arrested for attempting to remove tarps from the Confederate stautes, showed up outside the courthouse on Wednesday in support of the monuments.

Chris Wayne and Brian Lambert, the two men previously arrested for attempting to remove tarps from the Confederate stautes, showed up outside the courthouse on Wednesday in support of the monuments.

Matt Weyrich
9/12/19 at 10:38 AM

A judge has ruled that Charlottesville can’t remove the two Confederate statues that stand downtown, saying Wednesday that doing so would be in violation of a Virginia historical preservation law.

On the first day of a three-day trial, Charlottesville Circuit Court Judge Richard Moore issued a permanent injunction that essentially demolished the defendants’ last argument and decided the outcome of the two-and-a-half-year case that followed City Council’s 2017 votes to remove the Robert E. Lee and Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson statues.

Moore sided with the interpretation of the plaintiffs— the Monument Fund, Sons of Confederate Veterans, and 11 individuals—about the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, arguing that it wouldn’t be legally sound to say the Virginia law that protects war monuments was created with racial prejudice—even if there’s “reasonable suspicion” that it was. He also cited the fact that the law was amended multiple times, explaining that the way it’s applied today doesn’t fall in line with racially discriminatory views.

“Statues do speak, if at all, about history…even history we don’t like,” Moore said.

Meanwhile, a shouting match erupted outside the courthouse between two men holding a Confederate flag and a man and a woman who arrived after with a flag bearing the antifa logo.

Charlottesville and Albemarle County police officers stood by watching as the individuals shouted profanity-laced insults across Park Street and cars drove by honking their support for either side. The two men holding the Confederate flag were Chris Wayne and Brian Lambert, who were convicted of trespassing and destruction of property after they attempted to remove the tarps from the Lee and Jackson statues multiple times before the judge ordered the covering removed in February 2018.

Over the next two days, Moore will hear arguments on the amount of damages to award to the plaintiffs, who say they were emotionally impacted by the statues being covered with black tarps for 188 days after the Unite the Right rally. City Council had voted to shroud the statues in response to the violence and the murder of Heather Heyer and death of two state police officers.

Eight of the plaintiffs testified, detailing their distress in instances when they passed by the covered monuments but were unable to see them. Jock Yellott, executive director of the Monument Fund, teared up when talking about how Lee’s memory has been “slandered” by City Council.

Each plaintiff is seeking $500 in damages, but most have signed documents say they’ll donate any money received to either the Monument Fund or the Sons of Confederate Veterans. The plaintiffs’ legal counsel is seeking $600,000 in attorneys’ fees as well.

Although the case won’t officially be decided until Friday, the plaintiffs are celebrating a victory as Charlottesville will not be moving the statues anytime in the foreseeable future.

“We have prevailed in the action against the city,” says Charles “Buddy” Weber, one of the plaintiffs. “I’m proud of our efforts here.”

His advice to those who want the monuments removed: Go to Richmond and lobby the General Assembly to change the state law that prohibits localities from removing Civil War memorials.

https://www.c-ville.com/perman...es-are-here-to-stay/

Finally "some" sanity returns!

This ought to send the local antifa trash into a tizzy.

it's just one city. to bad it doesn't have more teeth by a higher court. ignoring (good or bad) history won't change it.

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Originally posted by Fla. Jim:
Finally "some" sanity returns!

Maybe, but its likely to be short lived. If I were the city, I'd make sure to have additional police protection around those statues for a while as the antifa crew is not known to act rationally or to follow the law.

I think it’s pretty sad though that they have to rely on some “preservation law” rather than saying, “the statues have been there. Leave them alone!”

I despise revisionist history. When will Leftists realize they're engaging in the same "enlightened" behavior as the Taliban.

I was stationed at Ft.Gordan Ga. About all military posts south of the Mason Dixon are named after Southern generals. Strange the sillies haven’t tryed to attack them yet.

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Originally posted by satch:
I was stationed at Ft.Gordan Ga. About all military posts south of the Mason Dixon are named after Southern generals. Strange the sillies haven’t tryed to attack them yet.

They have them in their gunsites; look for this to be a “campaign issue” in 2020.
https://www.navytimes.com/news...onfederate-officers/

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Originally posted by 2BobTanner:
look for this to be a “campaign issue” in 2020.

“I want them to be ready to ask questions about how a U.S. Army base came to be named for someone who fought against the Army ….” Well, good luck with finding someone who is still around to answer such questions that had anything to do with making the decisions originally.

I started wondering about that myself decades ago when I first realized the fact, and began thinking about it again in the last couple of years. But then I’ve also wondered about the fact that other than Lee and Jackson, it always seemed to me that the Confederate generals chosen to be remembered by having forts named after them were hardly stellar performers during the war. Was there any intentional irony in those choices? Did someone think, “Yeah, okay: We’ll name some southern forts after Confederate generals in the ‘spirit of reconciliation,’ but we’ll choose which ones.”

As for why fort names haven’t been targeted thus far, it may be that statues and state flags are very obvious symbols that even the ignorant can recognize. It may be that names that require some knowledge of history would be less obvious targets. “Braxton Bragg? Who was that?”
I myself knew many of the fort names long before I knew anything about the people they were named for.

Screwed Up News of the Day

The Cleveland County Fair (NC) is coming up. Next county west of mine.

According to a friend, management of the Fair has informed the Sons of Confederate Veterans that they are not welcome to have a booth at the fair.

Yep, right here in North Carolina, where NC & VA are virtually tied for number of soldiers killed.

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Originally posted by sigalert:
I despise revisionist history. When will Leftists realize they're engaging in the same "enlightened" behavior as the Taliban.

Ask them if the Civil War was primarily about slavery, why didn't Lincoln issue the Emancipation Proclaimation immediately after Fort Sumter?

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Originally posted by satch:
I was stationed at Ft.Gordan Ga. About all military posts south of the Mason Dixon are named after Southern generals. Strange the sillies haven’t tryed to attack them yet.

Army installations are. Marine Corps is named after people and places, the Navy is by Port name for example Norfolk, Kings Bay and the USAF is named after a mixture of places and people.

Thank for God for Robert E. Lee!

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Originally posted by Marlin Fan:
Thank for God for Robert E. Lee!

I was stationed at Ft Lee (Petersburg VA, south of Richmond) my last year in the Army, 1970-71. I'm ashamed to show my 214 because it has Fort LEE typed on it...

I hope this is a start to stop trying to revise history. If you have ever studied the Civil War, you would appreciate the history lesson. Grant and Lee were two great men that thought first about putting the country back together and healing.

You can read the Gentlemen's Agreement here:
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The Surrender Meeting



This Keith Rocco painting shows all the men that were known to be in the room during at least part of the meeting. "The Surrender" painting by Keith Rocco shows Generals Lee and Grant shaking hands near the end of the meeting.

Keith Rocco

A Gentlemen's Agreement

On the morning of April 9, while General Robert E . Lee realized that the retreat of his beleaguered army had finally been halted, U. S. Grant was riding toward Appomattox Court House where Union Cavalry, followed by infantry from the V, XXIV, and XXV Corps had blocked the Confederate path. Lee had sent a letter to Grant requesting a meeting to discuss his army's surrender and this letter overtook Grant and his party just before noon about four miles west of Walker's Church (present-day Hixburg). Grant, who had been suffering from a severe headache, later remembered that upon reading Lee's letter the pain in his head had disappeared. He stopped to prepare his reply to Lee, writing that he would push to the front to meet him.

The location of the meeting was left to Lee's discretion. Lt. Colonel Orville E . Babcock and his orderly, Capt. Dunn, took Grant's reply and rode ahead. Babcock found Lee resting under an apple tree near the Appomattox River. After reading Grant's letter, Lee, his Aide-de-Camp Lt. Colonel Charles Marshall, and Private Joshua O. Johns rode toward Appomattox Court House accompanied by Federal Officers Lt. Col. Babcock and Capt. William McKee Dunn.

Marshall and Johns rode ahead of Lee in order to find a place for the generals to confer. As Marshall passed through the village he saw Wilmer McLean in the vicinity of the courthouse. He asked McLean if he knew of a suitable location, and McLean took him to an empty structure that was without furniture. Marshall immediately rejected this offer. Then McLean offered his own home. After seeing the comfortable country abode, Marshall readily accepted and sent Private Johns back to inform General Lee that a meeting site had been found.



This painting by Tom Lovell was done for National Geographic for the 100th anniversary in 1965. Painting by Tom Lovell of General Lee and Grant seated at separate tables during the "writing" portion of the meeting. This painting was commissioned by National Geographic for their April 1965, "centennial" edition.

Tom Lovell

Lee arrived at the McLean house about one o'clock and took a seat in the parlor. A half hour later, the sound of horses on the stage road signaled the approach of General Grant. Entering the house, Grant greeted Lee in the center of the room.

The generals presented a contrasting appearance;Lee in a new uniform and Grant in his mud-spattered field uniform. Grant, who remembered meeting Lee once during the Mexican War, asked the Confederate general if he recalled their meeting. Lee replied that he did, and the two conversed in a very cordial manner, for approximately 25 minutes. The subject had not yet gotten around to surrender until finally, Lee, feeling the anguish of defeat, brought Grant's attention to it. Grant, who later confessed to being embarrassed at having to ask for the surrender from Lee, said simply that the terms would be just as he had outlined them in a previous letter.

The terms would parole officers and enlisted men but required that all Confederate military equipment be relinquished. The discussion between the generals then drifted into the prospects for peace, but Lee, once again taking the lead, asked Grant to put his terms in writing. When Grant finished, he handed the terms to his former adversary, and Lee -- first donning spectacles used for reading-- quietly looked them over. When he finished reading, the bespectacled Lee looked up at Grant and remarked "This will have a very happy effect on my army." Lee asked if the terms allowed his men to keep their horses, for in the Confederate army men owned their mounts.

Lee explained that his men would need these animals to farm once they returned to civilian life. Grant responded that he would not change the terms as written (which had no provisions allowing private soldiers to keep their mounts) but would order his officers to allow any Confederate claiming a horse or a mule to keep it.

General Lee agreed that this concession would go a long way toward promoting healing. Grant's generosity extended further. When Lee mentioned that his men had been without rations for several days, the Union commander arranged for 25, 000 rations to be sent to the hungry Confederates. After formal copies of the surrender terms, and Lee's acceptance, had been drafted and exchanged, the meeting ended.



This Keith Rocco painting shows Gen. Lee exiting the yard of the McLean House after the meeting. General Lee leaves the McLean House after the Surrender Meeting with Gen. Grant.

Keith Rocco

The next day, April 10th, a second meeting of six officers, three Confederate and three Union, would convene in the McLean parlor.The purpose of this "commissioners' meeting" was to hammer out the details of the formal surrender ceremony and to define who was subject to the surrender.

In a war that was marked by such divisiveness and bitter fighting, it is remarkable that it ended so simply. Grant's compassion and generosity did much to allay the emotions of the Confederate troops. As for Robert E. Lee, he realized that the best course was for his men to return home and resume their lives as American citizens.

Before he met with General Grant, one of Lee's officers (General E. Porter Alexander) had suggested fighting a guerilla war, but Lee had rejected the idea. It would only cause more pain and suffering for a cause that was lost. The character of both Lee and Grant was of such a high order that the surrender of the Army of Northern Virginia has been called "The Gentlemen's Agreement."

https://www.nps.gov/apco/learn...urrender-meeting.htm

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Thank for the post!

Rob

Those of us from "border" states have ancestors that served in both armies. I have found 3 Great Great Grandfathers that served in the Civil War. One from Upper East Tennessee & buried in Ashville, NC, was a Union Captain. Two from Western NC (Yancey County) were Privates in NC Confederate units. I would like to think that all my forefathers would be remembered regardless of which army they were in.