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| I Am The Walrus |
I finished this last month: https://www.rollins.edu/evenin...human-resources.html
Prior to this, I had finished an MBA. The experience/requirements between programs was totally different. The MHR was a waste and if I wasn't two semesters in while using my GI Bill, I would've quit. 10 classes to a masters degree with zero requirement for any business classes. Yet the professors kept trying to play up the importance of HR in the business world. One even went so far to say, "HR should have a seat at the table" What table? The kids table? -It was an academic joke. -Some professors only had two 5 minute group presentations for the entire course with 6-7 people in the group. -Other professors were addressed on a first name basis, this was a big no-no to me because it didn't draw a line between professor-student. -I'd say about 50% of my classmates, I refused to acknowledge most of them as peers, were straight from undergrad. One said he went back to school because he couldn't find a job. -Kids were snobby shits thinking they were big shit because they're going to a private college which some people tried to call the Harvard of Orlando.  -Too many of the kids worked at the school which led me to believe they couldn't find real jobs and/or the school needed people to enroll in the program and easiest way to do that was to have dual employee/student. -One kid had a work history that was literally bikini model at street car shows. -There were about 3 people who were older and had work experience. -At least one of those joked (I think) that she was thinking about suing for her tuition money back. -Few people dropped out when they saw the shit for what it is: shit. -One guy was so pissed he didn't even bother walking the stage for graduation. -No networking. How am I supposed to network when the other students don't even have jobs? These kids think they're going to come out as a 24 year old with little to no work experience and make $120k a year. It's like they feel entitled and they're better than other people because they went to this school. I was thinking about writing to the program director and telling him the program is shit and if he doesn't bother replying I'll just go up the chain or maybe skip the chain and go straight to the college president. This is a joke for $600/credit hour. I enrolled in this program thinking it would give me specific knowledge because an MBA is typically very generalized. In my MBA program, it was 17 courses and included mandatory workshops and presentations at various places. My trips were to DC and Chicago. The students there had a wide variety of work experience. Mandatory courses included classes such as financial accounting, statistics, international economics, managerial accounting, finance, and consulting. _____________ | ||
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| Thank you Very little  |
The bright side is you should have mastered water skiing in the time you were there, as well as restaurant hopping on Park Ave.... https://rollinssports.com/sports/wski actually Rollins is a top 5 waterski team. so they are good.. | |||
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Unflappable Enginerd |
I've said it before, I remember when HR was referred to as the personnel department, and didn't get paid near as well. __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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semi-reformed sailor |
Mrs. Mike is an HR professional, she had her Batchelors in HR. And went to work from there in her field. She has worked for several different companies and is now with a nationwide food distribution company. She has been with these guys for 5 years , 5 before with a company that got bought out by them, and has been in the field for 18 years. Last year she went over 100k. And due to COVID she has been working only on that for the last year. Making sure the company is in compliance with varying laws in Each state as to pay and benefits. She didn’t get her masters, but something that is the equivalent in HR...she belongs to Shrm also. She said none of her professors in school seemed like they knew what they were doing either. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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| Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
If anyone pops in as surprised, I’ll be surprised. Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | |||
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$600 per credit hour, and they're all 4-credit courses. I always thought 4-credit classes were a money making scam. I took both 3 and 4 credit classes at the undergraduate and graduate levels and could never tell the difference in workload. Even if it doesn't feel like an accomplishment, at least you finished it. I'm sure it'll look good on a resume to the right people. I know there's no way I could complete that curriculum. I was bored just reading through the course listings! 十人十色 | |||
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I struggle to think how some of the courses listed above can be taught in a classroom? (like Team Building). | |||
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Age Quod Agis |
We are becoming an over credentialed country, where is is often debatable that the particular credential means anything. You are young, and the credential will have value for you, even if you know it's bullshit. The credentialing universe is it's own self perpetuating organism, and no one is willing to stick a spear in it. I had a similar conversation with a consultant, who is a former SEAL, and who has used the same GI Bill benefits as you to get an MBA and now a PhD in business. I told him that the business PhDs I had met were fundamentally useless. He agreed, and let on he was only doing it because it gave a material boost to his speaking fees as a motivational speaker. You are on the same train. Don't worry that the program was useless. Use it, and the credential you now possess, within the system to make yourself more valuable. You don't have to believe the bullshit to take money for it. "I vowed to myself to fight against evil more completely and more wholeheartedly than I ever did before. . . . That’s the only way to pay back part of that vast debt, to live up to and try to fulfill that tremendous obligation." Alfred Hornik, Sunday, December 2, 1945 to his family, on his continuing duty to others for surviving WW II. | |||
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| An investment in knowledge pays the best interest |
Well, you know how I feel about people in HR... and I see you contributed to the thread. https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...620068184#9620068184 Hell if I ever wrote down all the dumb bullshit I've seen HR do over the course of my career, the length of the diatribe would easily exceed that of this forum's existing Covid-19 thread. | |||
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Invest Early, Invest Often |
Those that can't do teach. | |||
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| semi-reformed sailor |
Exactly. I went to college at night while I was also a cop. Those of us in the criminal justice classes that were already cops used to gang up on the teachers and explain that whatever they were teaching was not how things really go....it drove them crazy and one of the teachers would tell us not to respond and let her get thru the material. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
It sounds like MHR 540 was the one thing to tie it all together. | |||
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| If you see me running try to keep up  |
Looking back I am glad I did not finish college. I started in the chemical plants right out of the Air Force in 1995. No degree but worked my way up and I've been making over 100k for over 10 years now. Our HR people are only there to hire and fire, they are definitely not "personnel" anymore. | |||
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You were crippled by your experience in the military. You had a better grasp of reality than the rest of those yoyos. I had the same thing happen when I got out of the service and went to school. | |||
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| Conveniently located directly above the center of the Earth  |
re:[I enrolled in this program thinking it would give me specific knowledge because] Over a solid half-century ago due to circumstance unforeseen, I enrolled one summer in an 'advanced post graduate' teacher college certification program. Your comments barely point the direction of the abysmal quality of the time bandits suffered therein. **************~~~~~~~~~~ "I've been on this rock too long to bother with these liars any more." ~SIGforum advisor~ "When the pain of staying the same outweighs the pain of change, then change will come."~~sigmonkey | |||
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Congrats. My MS in Biology (in 1996) required 12 classes, a thesis (which I had published in a peer-reviewed journal), and written and oral examinations. My written exams took two 16-hour days, back-to-back, and my orals about 12 hours of prep and 2-3 hours real-time. I EARNED that degree... My wife, also in 1995, got her MA in reading with 10 classes total, no thesis, no project, or exams. | |||
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Reminiscent of what we called “box checker 2000” When we were training for deployment to Iraq in 2004. A training regimen was established that we were to follow, to the letter, and every soldier regardless of rank or position had to complete it. Never mind that the war was evolving and much of the training was obsolete ( which any junior enlisted soldier in theater could have told you). Having field grade officers laying on the road on your belly probing for mines with a stick? Really did that. The general consensus then which can be extrapolated to most higher education today is simple- get through the training, get a “go” ( passing grade) then forget about it and move on. This sadly has even started to apply ( to a degree at least) to the more technical degrees in healthcare and engineering | |||
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I'm retired from a Fortune 500 company . Our HR people were more concerned with " Diversity and Inclusion " than anything else . | |||
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Objectively Reasonable |
You forgot "Equity." It's now "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion." Equity is that hugely logical, well-thought principle that every group/entity deserves a "share" of everything, simply because they exist in some proportion to the whole population. Retirement can't come soon enough. | |||
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At Jacob's Well |
As a relatively new teacher, that quote annoys the stew out of me. It may be true in some fields, but certainly not all. In my case, I spent 20 years in real-world engineering before I decided to start teaching. I was good at it too, working my way up to principal engineer in a large company. Almost all of my professors in college had real-world engineering experience as well, either in consulting or running their own firm. The few that had never left academia were aware of that shortcoming and actively seeking consulting work to rectify it. Almost every one of my colleagues could leave academia and make considerably more money in industry. They worked at the highest levels of engineering at places like DARPA and NASA. Like me, many of them took huge cuts in pay to take up teaching. Not to sound overly altruistic, but teaching for many is a sacrificial offering, not a fallback. Rant aside, I appreciate what Edmond is saying in his OP. Higher education has, by and large, sacrificed academic integrity for numbers. It's intellectual fraud, selling empty certificates that imply knowledge transfer that never happened. Come one, come all, just remember to bring your tuition check, and we'll make sure you can get the certificate. J Rak Chazak Amats | |||
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