In 2010 I got my brother's 2000 Acura TL with zero lifetime service. A caliper was frozen, which I replaced. Then did a complete brake fluid flush. Wow, what an amazing difference.
I've just reacquired my '08 Subaru Impreza. Did front brakes and a full flush. That, along with the control arm bushings, has returned the handling to factory "new" specification.
Brake fluid is hydroscopic, meaning it absorbs water. Water compresses differently than hydraulic fluid, and can make the brakes feel squishy. Every four years would be a good replacement interval.
Honda says 3 yrs or 45k My BMW owners manual does not say, however, it has a maintenance system that pops up when you need such changes, new brakes, etc. It seems like the brake fluid is on a 2 yr or 30k schedule.
Like Woodman said, it absorbs water and changing the fluid is a rather cheap way of maintaining your braking system.
Posts: 3866 | Location: St. Louis, MO | Registered: November 24, 2009
I've done it before. Not a set milages even though the manual list one I'm sure.
Usually done it when the car has 50,000+ miles and I have to replace a caliper. Since I have to bleed the system I just do them all for a full flush.
I have a cheap vacuum system I bought at Freight Habor. Hooks to a compressor and then to the bleeder on your caliber. Also comes with a special bottle, you fill with fluid, that sits on your reservoir so you don't have to add fluid every minute.
Used to like it when you could get the blue brake fluid. Made it easy to tell when each line/caliber was fully flushed.
If you do bleed them buy new fluid and open it the day you're going to bleed them. As soon as a can of brake fluid is opened it will start to absorb water.
_____________________________________
Because in the end, you won’t remember the time you spent working in the office or mowing your lawn. Climb that goddamn mountain. Jack Kerouac
Every couple years, give or take. Mileage is irrelevant - it's absorbing water all the time whether stationary or driven. Regular changes will improve pedal feel, improve performance under high stress use (water boils way before fluid and will lead to fade on hills, aggressive driving, etc.) and getting the water out of the fluid and calipers where it tends to collect will improve service life on those too.
I've been using these Speedbleeders on cars beginning with a '93 Suburban and a '96 Cobra and they make the whole process SO much easier. One person can do it, and it is almost foolproof. Do have to make sure the items they send you are the right size and pitch of thread, but once in they are in.
Their website admittedly does suck when it comes to being able to select a size fitment. Call them up and they will know for most cars, and if you have the thread size and depth of current bleed screws they can 100% hook you up.
You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02
Posts: 12897 | Location: Madison, MS | Registered: December 10, 2007
I've read that most cars go to the crusher with the original brake fluid fill in them. It sure makes a nice difference when you do a flush, probably every two years. You can get by without it for street driving, but you won't last long in a track event with old fluid. I used to change it for every track event, which was several per season.
Posts: 3868 | Location: Cave Creek, AZ | Registered: October 24, 2005
I change vehicles before they need a brake fluid change.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Yidn, shreibt un fershreibt"
"The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind." -Bomber Harris
Posts: 16168 | Location: Ivorydale | Registered: January 21, 2005
Nope, haven't changed it in any vehicle unless I needed a caliper replaced. Power Steering fluid as well. Every other fluid gets changed as recommended in the manual though.
I change the fluid in my 911 every two years. If I tracked it, I would change it more often. It is pretty easy to do. With my 4R when we pulled a boat I changed the fluid out every fall.
The 911 fluid change cost me about $12 in materials and the 4Runner cost about $8. They both took about 45 minutes to flush. This was largely due to having to remove the wheels.
Can I tell a difference? Not really, but I cannot tell a difference when I change my oil either.
Posts: 2223 | Location: United States | Registered: February 13, 2006
I change with each change of front rotors/pads. Usually every 40-50K miles. Rear rotors/pads just get changed w/out fluid changes.
"Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book
Posts: 13300 | Location: In the gilded cage | Registered: December 09, 2007
I never have in the past but I think I will do both my 2006 Honda S2000 and my 2015 Mazda 3 this spring when I get home. The S2000 due to age and the Mazda due to miles - 55,000. Mike
I'm sorry if I hurt you feelings when I called you stupid - I thought you already knew - Unknown ................................... When you have no future, you live in the past. " Sycamore Row" by John Grisham
About every 30K I have done a "lazy flush" on my Honda by sucking out most of the fluid in the reservoir and replacing but I know my next brake job will involve at least one caliper so i will do a real flush then
Posts: 3987 | Location: Peoria, AZ | Registered: November 07, 2002
The brake fluid should be flushed on a regular basis. Electrolysis can occur in the brake system and take out the ABS system and more. You can do a simple test with a DVOM, nd check for any voltage in the brake fluid. Any indication of voltage would make me flush the system.
Posts: 5202 | Location: Manteca, CA | Registered: May 30, 2006
I tend to keep my cars a long time, so I change it every year as part of my spring "check everything" ritual. It's not expensive and it takes me longer to get the car in the air and tires off than to do it, so I tend to do a lot of things at once.
Bob Carpe Scrotum
Posts: 1401 | Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Madiganistan | Registered: February 20, 2008
When I do a brake job on my truck, I replace the fluid. Probably not as often as the manufacturer what prefer, but far more often than most vehicles get.
----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter
I swap brake fluid every two years regardless of mileage. Brake fluid absorbs water over time whether you are driving the car or not. When moisture gets into the lines it does two things. First it starts rust inside the brake lines. Second, when compressed the water boils and puts air into your system. If you have a power bleeder it makes the process pretty simple.
I have done brakes on friends cars that never changed the fluid. On some the fluid was so dark and dirty it actually damaged a caliper.
Posts: 1862 | Location: Chicagoland | Registered: December 10, 2008